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Excellent article. Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Always round up on the tip - the people relying on them need that extra $1-5 dollars more t
by phlipski 5y ago
Excellent article. Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Always round up on the tip - the people relying on them need that extra $1-5 dollars more than you do. And if you can't afford those extra few dollars than what are you doing going out in the first place?
- lotsofpulp 5y agoShame so many people think it is a customer’s job to pay anything more than what they are asked to pay.
- vultour 5y agoI find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the customer. Do you give other minimal wage workers tips? Cashiers, cleaners, random shop staff? If not then shut up.
- burkaman 5y agoRestaurant staff make significantly less than minimum wage.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoNot in CA/OR/WA/NYC/DC. Also, the federal minimum wage is not lower than anyone else’s, assuming they want to report their employer for not following the law.
- kritiko 5y agoThe United States of America federal government requires a wage of at least $2.13 per hour be paid to employees who receive at least $30 per month in tips.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoState and local laws overrule federal laws if the federal law has a lower minimum.
- AdrianB1 5y agoTechnically it is not overruling, it is complementing. No local law can overrule a federal or state law, ever.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoThanks, that is a better characterization.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y agoAnd if the tips plus tipped minimum wage doesn’t reach normal minimum wage, the employer is required to top it up to at least the untipped minimum wage. I believe that’s what parent comment was referring to. As well as the fact that many states, representing a massive chunk of the US population, don’t have a separate special tipped minimum wage.
- natpalmer1776 5y agoNo, they don't. If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. They usually make well over minimum wage factoring in "tax free" cash tips.
- ianleeclark 5y ago> If their tips don't put them over minimum wage their employer is required to make up the difference. You'll get your hours cut if you try this.
- josephcsible 5y agoThis might have been the case in 2019, but it certainly isn't in today's labor shortage.
- aesh2Xa1 5y agoIt’s not something “you” try as the employee. It’s something “you” try as the customer. The business not having workers during business hours will not equate to any more profits for the business. It’ll just equate to fewer business transactions. They still have to pay the minimum wage to the staff working during those hours.
- kritiko 5y agoCashiers - yes at a coffee shop. The local brewery uses the same Square / Clover POS system for cans to go and sometimes I'll tip a few bucks (though I'm unsure here). Cleaners - if you mean a house cleaner, if booked through an app, then I think there's normally a tip option. There's tons of people who you're supposed to tip at Christmas in the city - building staff, daycare workers, cleaners, your mailman, etc etc. Restaurants that have tried to go tip free, even the highest end ones, like Eleven Madison Park and Danny Meyer's Union Square Cafe, have rolled it back as customers see the prices as being "too high." Tipping is basically an optical illusion. If you don't tip, you are ruining it for everybody else.
- grumple 5y agoYeah, but if you go to a place that provides service in the US, you're signing up for tipping, and you know it. If you don't like it, stay in and cook and make your own drinks.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoDid the person that changed my grandmother’s bedpan provide a service? Did the person that poured concrete provide a service? How about the person that helps you find something at the store? We are all providing a service.
- grumple 5y agoBeing pedantic isn't necessary, it's obvious from the context that I meant food service.
- danaris 5y agoUm, way to be incredibly classist. "If you can't afford to support someone else, why are you treating yourself to a luxury of any kind?" Everyone needs luxuries sometimes. The solution to tipped employees not getting enough money is not to bully people who can't comfortably afford higher tips out of going out; it's to a) encourage unionization, b) eliminate the separate "tipped minimum wage", and c) raise the minimum wage in general. Or, y'know, implement UBI.
- adolph 5y agoIt is interesting to think about the various ways tips are used: 1. User feedback: customer quality perception 2. Variable pricing: if customer can pay more, they do; customers without as much are not turned away 3. Untaxed earnings: tax authorities set a theoretical floor, but undocumented cash is difficult to substantiate Are there others?
- glup 5y agoObfuscating the total cost when the consumer is making decisions—-the menu price is like the listed price in Google Flights, then taxes and tips are kind of like the baggage and seat fees on low cost airlines.
- beerandt 5y agoIt's not obfuscation if it's entirely at the customer's discretion. Google flights doesn't allow me to choose what percentage in fees I feel is appropriate for the service.
- willcipriano 5y agoWhat's sort of funny is the concern about tipped workers is also classist. Tipped workers in restaurants do pretty well, at least in contrast to their hourly counterparts in the back of the house. College educated people often take front of house jobs during college so they empathize with the front of house workers, but the front of house makes considerably more than the back and has far better working conditions. Stand in a 100+ degree kitchen for 12 hours, burning and cutting yourself daily and tell me that the waitstaff have it bad with a straight face, especially after you learn they are taking home twice what you are and that's before factoring in the rampant wage theft in the restaurant industry. If you had a really good experience and you want to show your appreciation, go in back and tip the cooks.
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- mschuster91 5y ago> Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Tips should be reserved for exceptional service. People should be ashamed of going to restaurants that don't openly advertise "we pay a fair living wage, tips not necessary".
- bsenftner 5y agoIt dismays me how many wealthy people I know that flat our refuse to tip. I end such friendships, as those people are monsters, waiting for an excuse to toss others away.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoIf dismays me how many people make negative judgements about a person based on them fulfilling the stated terms of a transaction.
- voltagedivider 5y agoAny chance they're trying to end the practice of tipping for the betterment of workers in the long run?
- NikolaeVarius 5y agoI too refuse to pay for services to protest the mistreatment of workers.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoPaying the amount you are asked to pay is not refusing to pay for services. Just like any other business transaction.
- pessimizer 5y agoProtesting that workers aren't getting paid by withholding money from workers is a rationalization. In the best outcome, the customer would be paying exactly the same amount that they pay now, or more, it just wouldn't be separated or optional in the bill. You can tell whether people complain about tipping because of fairness or just because they want a discount by whether they also complain about mandatory, fixed percentage tipping, which is really just a service fee under another name.
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- tdeck 5y agoThis is the first I've heard of tipping at a movie theater. I didn't even know it was possible, let alone expected.