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Hetzner announcement: Price changes for servers ordered via the Server Auction
"Unfortunately, energy prices in Germany have been increasing dramatically, and electricity plays a big role in the operating costs for servers. We have always calculated the prices for the Server Auction to be as low as possible. The current prices for many Server Auction servers do not cover the increasing operating costs."
In my case, server price is going from €26 to €35, a 35% increase(!!!). Still cheap for what I'm getting but quite a price hike, new pricing starts in March in my case.
Received via email, no article on their website yet.
- sh4un 5y agoEvery day I am getting an email about some service I signed up for which costs were never going to be jacked up get jacked up. Nothing is sacred.
- altdataseller 5y agoJust cancel the ones you need the least.
- jokethrowaway 5y agoPart of it is idiotic "green" policies, part of it is massive inflation, whether we acknowledge it politically or not. Money is worth less and less, you'd better start charging more. All the assets are up, the market is up despite the terrible economy, salaries of jobs which are needed are up. Startups are also incredibly overvalued, I think that's because nobody want to hold cash, which drives evaluations up. (Hence why all the recent unicorns)
- plucas 5y agoMy monthly electricity bill went up by ~29%, so sounds about right. In fact, my electricity provider raised everyone's rate, even those with a contract, but giving an option to leave and find another provider, and shortly thereafter went bankrupt.
- PinguTS 5y agoThats not true. Regional providers which source their energy by regional means without any nuclear, gas, and coal can sustain their prices. I wasn't buying cheap before and stayed regional and now I am still at about 30 Cents/kWh. It the same with lumber last year.
- cblconfederate 5y agoExpected i guess I don't know how it is in the US, electricity prices have skyrocketed in europe
- xibalba 5y agoMy most recent monthly bill was $̶0̶.̶0̶4̶6̶/̶k̶W̶h̶ $0.092/kWh Edited to show fully burdened rate, inclusive of delivery charges and other fees and taxes.
- herdyherd 5y agoThe Green Deal has been dealt – with much more to come. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Green_Deal
- masta 5y agoIt does not have anything to do with the European Green Deal, and you probably even know that. Putin is putting pressure on Europe, because his only lifeline for money is going to run dry if we require less fossil fuels in the future.
- herdyherd 5y agoSilly me! Yes it's the boogeyman's fault, of course. OF COURSE the ideological movement to reduce EU's available sources of energy, plus make the existing ones more expensive, has nothing to do with the rising energy prices. And OF COURSE second order effects that ripple through our civilization, so dependent on cheap energy, have nothing to do with it either. /s It's all Putin.
- xibalba 5y agoIn a few minutes of Googling, I can't seem to find a decent time series of average German electricity prices (€ct/kWh) by month. What has the increase been? [1] reports 54% (!!!) increase since 2020. Why? [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/euro-zone-consumers-shock-power-bills-soar-2022-01-18/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/euro-zone-consumers-...
- willcipriano 5y agoThey went from nuclear to coal and gas to be more green.[0] [0]https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottcarpenter/2020/01/11/costs-of-germanys-nuclear-phase-out-are-substantial-new-paper-finds-but-there-is-little-appetite-for-a-rethink/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottcarpenter/2020/01/11/costs...
- api 5y ago... and now Russia is becoming belligerent and there's a chance they will be targeted with sanctions if they invade Ukraine, which would cause gas prices to explode. Some of this risk is probably being preemptively priced into the market via speculation on gas.
- aurizon 5y agoThere is a good chance that Ukraine will target these lines via valve and pumping station attacks as a form of resource denial to Russia. There are few alternate routes and the valves and pumping stations are not hardened. There are also many exposed runs that are vulnerable by shallow or even zero cover. Such damage would take a long time to repair, and large numbers of attack points that are hard to defend.
- distances 5y agoI'm no geopolitics expert, but I find it exceedingly implausible that Ukraine would sabotage energy delivery to Central Europe, the assumed allies, just to cause a small income drop for Russia.
- denysvitali 5y agoWhen did you receive your email? I too am a Hetzner customer but haven't received such an email (so far).
- dutchbrit 5y agoWhat kind of server do you have and which location? This only applies (as far as I’m told in the email) to servers ordered through their auction. I received this email at 13:15 CET.
- tommica 5y agoMine was in the spam
- samcrawford 5y agoI also haven't received one. Checked spam too. My server is a 61 EUR/mo, and is a Xeon E5-1650v3 with 256GB RAM. It was only provisioned a few weeks ago.
- TimWolla 5y agoIt's likely that Hetzner doesn't make a loss on that machine, so they won't need to adjust prices there.
- Hetzner_OL 5y agoExactly, only some models from the Server Auction were affected. So we only sent emails to customers with those servers. --Katie, Hetzner Online
- dxld 5y agoI got one too, only for one of my two servers though: The monthly prices will change for the following servers you use: Server name new price old price Starting on SB42 #xxxxxx 43.20 Euro 40.31 Euro 2022-03-15 Doesn't seem so bad to me.
- tommiegannert 5y agoI have an SB34 that went up 4.2% to €30.16. Your SB42 seems to be +7.2%.
- dhess 5y agoMy SB24 is going from 18.47 Euro to 29.00 Euro.
- pmlnr 5y agoHetzner is a wonderful provider, and as transparent as possible, with exceptional prices/value. I've recently decided to stop renting a machine - I've had 3 server auction machines across 10 years - with 2x3TB enterprise (internal ecc protected) HDD, Xeon, 16GB ECC RAM, etc. The hw is aging, the disks were reasonably new, and it all just works, for practically pennies compared to cloud providers (no IO, no internal bw cost, fully dedicated CPUs, and so on). My reason to leave it was lack of need; I decided to move my backups and archives offline and my services to a tiny home "server".
- capableweb 5y ago> I decided to move my backups and archives offline and my services to a tiny home "server". I hope you're not gonna regret "moving" backups rather than "copying". I made that mistake once, and only once. Now I only copy my backups if there is some better alternative, while keeping the "worse" one unless I did it for security reasons.
- pmlnr 5y agoThere are always pros and cons to everything. Having reasonably personal and/or sensitive backups and archives on the same machine where I have web, email, and messaging services made me feel growingly uneasy. I also prefer not to use energy when not needed, meaning offline is a better thing for my world view. It is true that offline archiving is a mess: fire and waterproof safety boxes, reliable hardware, multiple copies, etc. plus I lose geographically duplicated datasets, which is something I haven't given up on - I just couldn't figure it out how to do it yet :)
- DarylZero 5y agoI bought an 8TB hard drive for sole purpose of keeping offsite backups at my parents' house, in case of fire. Been over a year, drive has some backup data on it, but still haven't brought the drive over there. I should have gone with my original idea, to install a server in their house and transfer over the internet.
- shafyy 5y agoIt's crazy, some energy providers like EWS Schönau (https://www.ews-schoenau.de/ https://www.ews-schoenau.de/) don't even take new customers currently because of the volatility in the energy market.
- vbezhenar 5y agoThat's why you don't shutdown nuclear plants before having a solid backup plan. Or better not shutdown at all.
- PinguTS 5y agoIn France about 30% of nuclear power is unavailable because of maintenance shutdowns. The price hike comes because of the hiking gas prices.
- RaitoBezarius 5y agoSure, at the time of writing, 62% of France's production of electricity is nuclear. We're importing 9392MW also.
- PinguTS 5y ago17 out of the 56 plants are in shutdown right now. https://jpt.spe.org/france-turns-to-coal-as-nuclear-plant-shutdowns-threaten-power-grid https://jpt.spe.org/france-turns-to-coal-as-nuclear-plant-sh...
- RaitoBezarius 5y agoSure, 2% (1765MW) of France's production is coal at the moment. It does not matter that plants are in maintenance, that is the normal state of complex systems like nuclear plants and a very desirable one. Sure, we could do better and close the last two coal factories to get 0% of coal modulo imports. That is still very different from 0% of nuclear. :)
- 0x008 5y agoThe problem was not the plan, it was execution.
- riidom 5y agoStrato increased prices too, from 5€ to 8€ in my case. Not pleased ofc, but well.
- tommiegannert 5y agoI've been able to get cheaper and cheaper servers every few years since 2012, each with better CPU and RAM than the previous. This is the first time in that decade I see a price increase. Only +4% in my case, for my fairly cheap machine. What type of server do you have?
- capableweb 5y agoAnother example: Intel Xeon E3-1275, 16 GB DDR3, ~1 TB HDD. Price went from 37.60 to 59.29 (~57% increase)
- Aeolun 5y agoI’m going from 20.99 to 29.00. 38% up. Like, energy prices over the past year have gone up from €20 per MWh to €120 per MWh, so I sort of get it, but still. Who would have thought the cost of the hardware would be irrelevant compared to the cost of the energy (or hell, the IPv4 address space)
- christophilus 5y ago> Who would have thought the cost of the hardware would be irrelevant compared to the cost of the energy Makes me wonder how OVH / French alternatives will fare. My guess is much better, since they have a more stable energy infrastructure, from what I can tell. Peter Zeihan has some good analysis on that.
- longsword 5y agoCurrently it's even worse in France. At the moment, there are 17 of 56 reactors turned off, due to safety concerns. There is even the possibility of major outages when a cold wave hits the country.
- vigsterkr 5y agosomebody got a whooping 63% increase (from 32.51 to 53.24 EUR)
- blitzar 5y ago26.20 to 34.80. The auctions after the price increase might be interesting.
- jve 5y agoLatvia, not far from Germany.. you may want to read this: https://www-delfi-lv.translate.goog/bizness/biznesa_vide/2021-gads-latvija-iezimejies-ar-elektroenergijas-cenu-kapuma-rekordiem.d?id=53976060&_x_tr_sl=lv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-delfi-lv.translate.goog/bizness/biznesa_vide/202... Tldr: 2021 avg electricity price 88,78 EUR/MWh, 2,6x higher than 2020. December 2021 had highest avg price: 206,40 EUR/MWh (January had ~50+ EUR/MWh), with peak price for 1 hour: 1000,07 EUR/MWh
- vigsterkr 5y agoI've started a thread on twitter about this: https://twitter.com/vikgl/status/1484500546358845442 https://twitter.com/vikgl/status/1484500546358845442 and somebody from Hetzner decided to answer some of my questions. One of which is mind-blowing: apparently they are going to re-adjust the prices once the electricity prices go down: https://twitter.com/hetzner_online/status/1484522103521124354 https://twitter.com/hetzner_online/status/148452210352112435... I wonder why this wasn't at all mentioned in their initial email... note i don't remember signing a contract for hosting where the price is dynamically calculated on commodity prices...
- bilekas 5y agoDoes the contract mention anything about connection and service costs that might fluctuate, or who is responsible for them ? I have OVH servers but haven't ever had a price change. But if there was no notification etc, I would first check there.
- Aeolun 5y agoThe terms of service mention they expressly reserve the right to chance any of the conditions or prices _with_ prior notice. Which I guess they’re giving us now.
- vigsterkr 5y agoyeah, although with zero transparency in regard how they ended up with the new price(s). because so far the new prices (especially in function of the old) are all over the place...
- Aeolun 5y agoI assume it has something to do with what the minimum for similar servers on current Robot auctions is. The servers I’m paying €21 for certainly never seem to hit lower than €29 these days.
- Hetzner_OL 5y ago
- Havoc 5y agoWholesale electricity prices are going wild so it was always going to filter through
- speedgoose 5y agoMaybe it’s better to use their datacenter in Finland. A country where nuclear power is not replaced by coal and Russian gas.
- mistrial9 5y agowaste and pollution in the industry are the real enemies, not people who speak a different language or salute a different flag, no?
- Ueland 5y agoMuch of Europe is on the same shared grid, so energy prices goes up everywhere when Germany cuts nuclear power. Unless there is sufficent energy available to replace it. (Spoiler: There aren't)
- vigsterkr 5y agohttps://twitter.com/hetzner_online/status/1484528022430568451?s=21 https://twitter.com/hetzner_online/status/148452802243056845...
- crtasm 5y agoDespite the email only mentioning German electricity prices we got it for a Finland server. 5.8% increase.
- Aeolun 5y agoWhat is crazy is, with the increased cost of my two 32gb servers, it is now a better deal to drop those and replace them with a single, new, 64gb server with new hardware (compared to the two old robot servers). All because of energy costs o_O
- cure 5y agoYeah, new hardware can be wildly more energy efficient than older systems.
- woofcat 5y agoLooking at Twitter seeing a few people cancel. I'm really curious to see what fallout there will be from this. Will it not really impact Hetzner or will it be a major segment. I previously had a server with Hetzner a few years ago despite being from Canada. The main reason I picked them was their pricing over other competitors.
- tommiegannert 5y agoThey opened a DC in the US in November: https://www.hetzner.com/news/11-21-usa-cloud https://www.hetzner.com/news/11-21-usa-cloud Not sure if that'll help, but diversification seems good.
- miohtama 5y agoHetzner recommends migrating servers to Finland https://twitter.com/Hetzner_Online/status/1484520162330091526 https://twitter.com/Hetzner_Online/status/148452016233009152...
- crtasm 5y agoThey're sending the same email + a price increase for Finland servers too.
- Hetzner_OL 5y agoI apologize for the miscommunication. The prices in Finland will NOT increase. Some customers with servers in Finland mistakenly received an email, and we have since sent another one out correcting this mistake. Affected customers also have received an alternative offer recently. --Katie, Hetzner Online
- AlbertoGP 5y agoSame in a small German regional hosting provider where I have a server: price costs raised so much that they have stopped taking in new customers for now, and will have to increase the prices for 2023 for “15 to 40 Euro net per month, depending on server contract”.
- warrenm 5y ago>In my case, server price is going from €26 to €35, a 35% increase(!!!). Still cheap for what I'm getting but quite a price hike, new pricing starts in March in my case. I'm going to convert to USD for a minute (since I'm in the US) ... that's a price jump from ~$29.50 to ~$40. Or less than two trips through a drive through of a [cheap] value meal at a fast food place (maybe one trip through some places).
- MikusR 5y agoWe know Americans are rich. Other people are not.
- warrenm 5y agoIf $10 a month makes you "rich" ... you shouldn't be paying $29 a month for a server
- CogitoCogito 5y ago> I'm going to convert to USD for a minute (since I'm in the US) ... that's a price jump from ~$29.50 to ~$40. Or less than two trips through a drive through of a [cheap] value meal at a fast food place (maybe one trip through some places). I guess consider yourself lucky that you apparently wouldn't be bothered by such an increase?