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My personal experience certainly agrees with this. I definitely shouldn’t smoke on a work night, and it’s not a good idea on Sunday either. The more hours until

• mikeg8 5y ago
  I totally agree. Have recently decided to abstain from smoking on nights before work. I’m never as sharp the morning after and edger going several weeks without smoking, the productivity differences are pretty noticeable for me.
• eddyerburgh 5y ago
  So why smoke at all? Don’t you want to operate in life at your cognitive best?
  • vallavaraiyan 5y ago
    Not all the time. Overthinking is a thing, there is a reason why taking walks or showering helps solve problems when fully focused cognitive attention was leading only to frustration. All that said, I think it is a good thing to not make anything that affects(increase or decrease) cognitive performance a habit.
  • teen 5y ago
    It definitely makes you smarter in some ways. For example, getting to the root of stress, processing difficult emotions. It's much easier to get in touch with those feelings when a little bit high. Meditation / yoga is another thing that works better high imo.
    • barbazoo 5y ago
      You're so right. It's certainly a tightrope, helping with anxiety vs inducing anxiety, at least for me. But when it works it works. Recently it completely opened my mind about my relationship with my mother and her identity as a person. It was right before a several week stay of her with us after a long time of us not seeing each other. It was the single biggest reason her visit was as enjoyable as it was because it enabled me to see her in a totally different, more compassionate, light.
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  • jb1991 5y ago
    Because it is actually enjoyable, and has some positive effects for some people, and everything in life has its own pros and cons.
    • flatiron 5y ago
      At least for me I enjoy my job but it’s usually being on conference calls talking about tech with business people. I like to take a 5mg edible every hour or two while working. Everyone always comments how chipper and patient I am with people. So maybe I’m not at my cognitive best but at least on calls it seems to improve my ability to convey my message.
      • PsylentKnight 5y ago
        How long have you done this? Do you take tolerance breaks?
  • barbazoo 5y ago
    "Best" is relative. I find that it's a different, occasionally worthwhile, state of mind.
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  • dylan604 5y ago
    >Don’t you want to operate in life at your cognitive best? No. Especially at bedtime, I want to be cognitively stopped. The fact that the cognitive is keeping me awake even though I'm physically exhausted sucks.
  • Broken_Hippo 5y ago
    Don’t you want to operate in life at your cognitive best I'm over 40 and have worked crap jobs most of my life. It isn't like my increasing my cognitive abilities being "best" - whatever the heck that actually means - is going to make a huge difference in my life. To tell you the truth, I'm much more worried about cognitive decline as a side effect of MS than I am the effects of getting high. It isn't like it makes me stupid. I simply think differently and that isn't all bad. Cleaning house and other mundane chores are less bothersome, and my life is full of this mundane crap. It also isn't like being drunk and I can still participate in society (I personally don't drive and just use public transport, sober or not)
    • saiya-jin 5y ago
      Its much better than that - I get semi-constant stream of creativity in my mind that simply isn't there when sober. You could say I become more artistic. I also literally go for 1-2h of walks and come back with tons of remarks, todos, plans etc. to improve my personal or work life. I just need to quickly note them in my phone or they would be probably forgotten when set of next ideas come. Picking up forgotten bits in life that would bite me later. Planning future with more clarity. Few of the ideas are later dismissed as unrealistic or overly optimistic, but most of the best long term decisions in my life have been 'found' in Inception movie style while high, and expanded later. The perspective is really different, and I literally get a second, different opinion on my life and all the choices/duties. I've handled tough breakups with this - the emotions were not suppressed or ignored or twisted to get out easily, rather I've got full exposure to all their sides which allowed me to process them remarkably quickly. The result was I got over it all and properly closed things for good in a rather speedy way. The thing is, that's me - the next person might get a very different effect, sometimes rather negative and not helpful. Drugs don't work uniformly on everybody, even on alcohol some get cozy and some aggressive. Its not about dumbing down at all - that's alcohol domain. Just shifting mindset to something alternative, in more than one way my mind is expanded. The next morning I am dumbed down, but in 1000x more pleasant manner than after alcohol, rather too-laid-back for some stressful annoying tasks.
    • Mezzie 5y ago
      Another MSer here and weed has never made me bang my head on the table because I kept mixing up words during the last meeting. That's all MS.
  • pelim 5y ago
    the findings in the study regarding work performance don't apply for everyone smoking sativa strains increase work performance for me and i know a lot of other dev how performing well while smoking cannabis in the office! - sorry they smoked at the rooftop terrace not in the office
  • yazaddaruvala 5y ago
    “Why lift weights at all? [why waste the next day sore.] Don’t you want to operate in life at your athletic best?” “No. Resistance training is good for me long term.” Exactly.
  • scaramanga 5y ago
    > So why smoke at all? Don’t you want to operate in life at your cognitive best? For all you know, GP is Einstein and he's working in the patent office, but with no chance of being recognized. Does he really have to be deprived of even one small joy in life so he can be at peak cognitive performance for shuffling patent applications around tomorrow? Who is he supposed to be performing for?
    • pawelmurias 5y ago
      I think you might just have discovered who is approving all those bullshit patents.
    • jimsimmons 5y ago
      > Who is he supposed to be performing for? Totally off topic but this sentence of yours perfectly sums up my mental state currently. Being a technologist, I believed tech could solve everything and thing and dedicated my life to it. This was when I was a teenager teaching myself to code 10-12 years ago. Back then tech wasn’t mainstream and geeks weren’t cool. But now, tech is the new wallstreet and a tsunami of people are hitting its shores every year. I’m not sure what I can bring to the table. I’ve learnt a lot of computer science just for the fun of it. I don’t think I’ll ever use most of that knowledge. I’m in this weird state where I know how amazing technology can be but at the same time I don’t really have much to contribute to it. Sure, I could set myself up for some big moonshots. But for what? I haven’t found happiness or satisfaction in all this while. I’m not sure if it’ll ever come. I can certainly distract myself with a lot of challenges to keep me from contemplating suicide. Or I could smoke weed. No difference really. No reason to squeeze out all you’ve got just to hit some random performance metrics or criteria.
  • stevev 5y ago
    If only it was that simple. Sober, I’d be coding and a notification would pop up on my phone, taking great attention away from the work. My child would be crying in the next room over and my brain would be formulating thoughts to discern what the fuss is all about. My washer is leaking and now I have to set up an appointment for someone to come look at it and due to my busy schedule, I’d have to find time. Distractions takes away the drive and motivations to code. On Cannabis, the answers are there in my head and what to do. Phone notification? Not important, ignore it. Child crying? She has her mom. Washer broke? Handle it after work. Easily said but I think like many on here has stated, any stress reducing solution can make a difference. Ymmv.
  • BoxOfRain 5y ago
    >Don’t you want to operate in life at your cognitive best? Good lord no, I want my cognitive best to be when I'm getting shit done. When I'm doing non-cognitive tasks I want my cognitive best to get back in its box and shut up for a bit so I can enjoy life without constantly over-analysing everything. I'm certainly in that category, though I suspect something like a meditation practice would probably be more useful as a long-term strategy than having a drink after work.
  • 0xTJ 5y ago
    You don't need to be at your absolute peak every second of your life. It's no different than having a drink.
  • Mezzie 5y ago
    In my case, I use drugs because I have MS and if I didn't, the only signals I ever get from my body are constant pain. Some occasional drug use reminds me that my body doesn't exist solely to hurt me, that I can still experience pleasure, and that it's still worth trying to find things I might like/be able to enjoy since many of my previous physical pleasures aren't possible or are less enjoyable than they used to be. Without them, my physical existence is only pain, and that's depressing. Being depressed is way worse on my cognitive abilities than doing drugs once in a while. This is true for most people who use regularly: The drugs are a harm-reduction measure. If weed fucks you up (-10 cognitive ability) but also gets rid of your anxiety (-20 cognitive ability), it's still a net win.
  • luckyscs 5y ago
    Life isn't about the brain it's about the body, brains came much later in the evolutionary process. I like tuning up the senses and tuning down the cognition, at many points overthinking doesn't help much. Often lateral thinking can offer answers.
• dathinab 5y ago
  > code while high I sometimes feel I code better when I'm slightly mentally impaired, because my mind stops getting in the way of getting things done and over analyzing problems. But then I'm very rarely mentally impaired, as I normally neither drink nor consume cannabis or anything like that, so idk. EDIT: Oh, just realized the answer is probably simple => less stress.
  • stevev 5y ago
    I also have the same belief when I code. To be specific, I realize what’s missing, and how it could be done better. You are probably righr, Stress.
  • pjerem 5y ago
    Typical Ballmer’s Peak.
  • pbhjpbhj 5y ago
    Or, you code worse but don't have the 'reflective' threads of cognition running at the time to notice?
  • geocrasher 5y ago
    "I drive better when I've had a few" is something I have actually heard from people in my past. Far, far past. And they think that because they no longer have that voice in their head that tells them they're doing something stupid. "I code better when I'm high" is something that can only be judged by those around you. If somebody else judges your code to be better, fine. But your self assessment is fundamentally flawed.
    • vegai_ 5y ago
      Those are wildly different actions though, unless you're modifying live production code for a pacemaker or something like that. Doing a bit of inebriated coding that you verify later might be just fine. I'm almost certain that the resulting code won't be better, but there may be situations where a clear head would have produced no code at all due to mental blocks.
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• yboris 5y ago
  Or maybe we shouldn't center our lives around work - making sure we're 100% optimal for the capitalist system. Even at 50% efficiency, developers provide a tremendous value to a company they work for. If relaxing with some weed daily is something someone enjoys, why shame them for not being 100% at work?