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Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile
- stickyricky 5y agoI miss the days when the articles you read were written and edited by professionals. "Absolute scumbag" might be an apt description of Schrodinger but it is one the reader should make. Not the writer.
- oliwarner 5y agoArticle reads like it was written by a child who's just discovered adverbs, or at the very least is bring paid to promote them by Big Adverb. The tone of those adverbs is also entirely unnecessary. We already understand: Child sex abuse isn't nice! You don't need to label his every action as diabolical, stomach-churning, and horrifying. Certainly not all within a few sentences of each other. I hope this isn't the future of science writing.
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- ptsneves 5y agoI was not sure if this website was not some reaction to a reaction when I saw the word "ackshually" written. I immediately closed it. And here was I ashamed at my typos.
- jhardy54 5y agoYep, it’s blatant right-wing propaganda.
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- DSingularity 5y agoTell me, are you surprised? Absent some framework for morality that people submit to and elevate to the status of the ultimate authority in all things ethical — where will people draw ethics? Everything consistently ethical in one philosophy is reprehensible to another.
- JohnTHaller 5y agoThis comment was linking to Twitchy, a right-wing propaganda site. Likely why it was flagged by someone.
- toolslive 5y agoLooking at history with our current perspective, so were: Edgar Allen Poe, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mohammed, Henry VIII, ...
- toolslive 5y agoBetween 2000 and 2015 there were at least 207,468 child marriages in the United States of which over 1,000 marriage licences were for children under 15, some as young as ten years old. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Americas
- UntitledNo4 5y ago"The Criminal Law Amendment Act 1935 raised the age to 17, with more severe penalties under age 15, and disallowed a defence of mistake." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#History_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Hist... Seems to be the perspective of his contemporaries as well.
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- luma 5y agoI like hwere your head is at but I think God can take the blame on that one, who did so without Mary's prior consent.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago"And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her." - Luke 1:38 She gave her consent.
- freedom2099 5y agoBut he was god… could she really be in the position to refuse? It’s like Monica and Bill Clinton… a poor intern with a powerful president! That is why it is usually forbidden for a person in power to hit on an underling!
- egao1980 5y agoSARCASM: ON It's time to cancel Quantum physics and wave equation in particular. Almost nobody understand it anyway. Along with macBooks and iPhones. SARCASM: OFF
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- jfk13 5y agoI presume Schrödinger's cat will be issuing a statement shortly. Maybe something along the lines of "I wouldn't be caught dead sitting on his lap".
- FourHand451 5y ago"I wouldn't be caught in a superposition of dead and alive sitting on his lap" :)
- userbinator 5y agoEvery time something like this comes up, I am reminded of the phrase "There is a fine line between genius and insanity." I would not be surprised at all if everyone who had made great contributions to the advancement of society also had a "dark side" which may or may not eventually become known.
- eesmith 5y agoIn this case Schrödinger appears to have used his genius to justify his pattern of abuse. Dirac, by all accounts, did not have anything like this sort of dark side. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac#Personality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac#Personality Yet Einstein referred to Dirac as "balancing on the dizzying path between genius and madness". ... without it being a dark side.
- z3c0 5y agoI can understand the disgusted sentiment, but this article read like an angry Twitter rant. I'd very much like to read the original article from the Irish Times, but it appears to be behind a paywall. When I searched for alternatives, I was only able to turn up articles with the same title as this one, none of which had a hint of reputability to me. I fear that the worst case for paywalls is coming to fruition, where the best that will be available for free are articles about articles. If anybody knows of somewhere that I can learn more about this matter, please sound off.
- fbanon 5y agoFinally, we can cancel quantum mechanics and go back to determinism!
- eru 5y agoInterestingly, quantum mechanics is already sort-of fully deterministic. It's only the not-quite quantum mechanical Born rule that's interpreted as probabilistic (unless you believe in eg the many worlds interpretation.)
- rwilson4 5y agoMy understanding is that the evolution of the wave function is deterministic. Upon measurement, the wave function collapses to an eigenstate of the measurement operator. Which eigenstate is observed is random, with probability based on the corresponding eigenvalue. So the measurement process/wave function collapse is random. Admittedly it's been a long time since I've studied quantum mechanics! Has the thinking changed?
- eru 5y agoYes, that's basically the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, and a perfectly valid way to interpret the math. The Many Worlds interpretation doesn't have the collapse, it says that all the possibilities happen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation > In contrast to some other interpretations, such as the Copenhagen interpretation, the evolution of reality as a whole in MWI is rigidly deterministic. There's some wrinkles in that interpretation to preserve the Born rule of observed frequencies.
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- ptsneves 5y agoThe article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child. The age of consent in most of the world is averaging 16 but can go down all the way to 14 in, you guessed where: Germany. Only India, US and a bunch of African countries had 18 or higher as age of consent. Even Ireland has 17. A sensationalist article. How can impregnating a 17 year old in the beginning of the XX century be considered pedophilia is beyond my understanding. It also has the negative effects of diluting the evilness of a terrible thing, into something that is not so outlandish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
- eesmith 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Pedophilia_and_sexual_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Pedophi... > Schrödinger repeatedly sexually abused young women.[42][43][44][45] "The poor things," Schrödinger wrote about the young women and girls he had sexually abused. "They have given me the moments of happiness in my life and themselves the sorrow. Such is life."[verification needed] Schrödinger recorded his sexual "conquests" in a diary he called "Ephemeridae" (mayflies).[citation needed] He justified his preference for young girls by saying that their innocence was the ideal counterpart to his natural genius The Futurism piece links to https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-schr%C3%B6dinger-indulged-his-lolita-complex-in-ireland-1.4749204 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/how-erwin-s... which starts: > How Erwin Schrödinger indulged his ‘Lolita complex’ in Ireland / Nobel Prize-winning physicist, who spent 17 years in Ireland, was a serial groomer of girls I don't have an account to read it.
- bavell 5y agoNot sure what to think but I went and briefly checked all the references cited in that paragraph... and they were all written within the last few months, most of them news articles from the past week or two. Curious...
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- vanusa 5y agoHe was a monster. Yeah, and it's even in a section of the website called "Big Yikes". Ok I get, pedophilia == bad. But my, aren't we being slowly trained to be hapless outrage porn junkies these days, by the continual barrage of manipulative trigger-articles like these.
- vagrantJin 5y agoYou're right. We are being manipulated. I make the claim that rational thought evaporates completely when sex and/or sexuality in any form is the basis of public discourse.
- alephxyz 5y agoIf you want a more "sober" version, here's the relevant section from the Wikipedia article on him : >Schrödinger repeatedly sexually abused young women. "The poor things," Schrödinger wrote about the young women and girls he had sexually abused. "They have given me the moments of happiness in my life and themselves the sorrow. Such is life." Schrödinger recorded his sexual "conquests" in a diary he called "Ephemeridae" (mayflies). He justified his preference for young girls by saying that their innocence was the ideal counterpart to his natural genius. One of his victims, aged between 12 and 17, became pregnant by him, had an abortion and became infertile after the abortion. These acts of abuse were reported in 1989 by Walter J. Moore (1918-2001) in his biography of Schrödinger as a "lolita complex", and described by John Gribbin in his 2012 book as "fondling and cuddling".
- champagnois 5y agoThere is always a risk of attempted out-of-context cancellation for people who attempt to discuss the quirks of philosophy, law, or policy regarding taboo subjects. I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case. While I cannot defend what RMS may have said just as I cannot defend what Schrodinger may have done, I still wish to highlight the absolute toxicity of taboo topics. On the one hand: These sorts of things become the narrow fixation of moral crusaders who pursue their cause to the extremes. On the other hand: Outsiders weighing in can be caught in the crossfire and find themselves cancelled by the crusade if they start asking questions or trying to discuss the wider meta of, "What defines this rule? Is it not possible that they are innocent? Does this rule help society? What of false positives?" ... As a result, outsiders know to avoid discussing the moral crusade or the rule for fear of being on the recieving end of the legacy destroying mob's righteous wrath. We all self censor and avoid asking critical questions to improve our understandings of these events. We live in an age where the devil's advocate as well as the devil are both put on trial.
- todorus 5y agoIs this a pet peeve with little to do with the article itself or are you actually reacting to what is going on in this comment section where a discussion is taking place of:"but is this wrong?" All the while ignoring that Schrodinger had a diary in which he condemned his own actions and was aware of the hurt he was doing. This just screams bias.
- champagnois 5y agoLess about Schroedinger or Stallman, more of a meta commentary on the way people talk about these things combined with the way others threaten to make it a crusade against commenters. I find these sorts of engagements interesting at the meta level.
- forclarity 5y ago> I learned last night that Richard M. Stallman (RMS) has articles about him on Vice that are narrowly focused on some of his weighing in on the Epstein case. If you mean https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing https://www.vice.com/en/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scient..., please note that that article misconstrues what was said. Both the headline and the article claim that Stallman said Giuffre was "entirely willing;" a read of the provided emails shows otherwise. He said that she probably appeared to Minsky to be "entirely willing;" that Minsky would have been unaware of coercion, not that there was none. There are absolutely things to object to in what he said, but we should be objecting to what he said, not the words some (apparently) shoddy journalists are putting in his mouth.
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- disambiguation 5y ago> the physicist kept a record of his abuse in his diaries, even justifying his actions by claiming he had a right to the girls due to his genius. Well, never meet your heroes. Its sad to see this a recurring theme in among elites, they think they're special and therefore the rules don't apply to them. Would be interesting to read the primary source if someone can find it.
- rdevsrex 5y agoWhile adults abusing underage children is deeply disturbing to us, morality is a shifting metric that can change very fast, while biology doesn't moves much slower. Whatever reason some people are attracted to children, is hard wired into them. It shouldn't be a surprise anymore that some percent of people are like this. That's why I would never allow my daughter to be in the room alone with another adult man. You just can't trust people.
- CodeGlitch 5y ago> That's why I would never allow my daughter to be in the room alone with another adult man. I get what you're saying but another approach to this would be to teach your child an understanding of how to say "no" and give them the confidence to handle such situations. Obviously if they're like 6 then this may not work well, but a teenager should be able to confide with their parents if they believe they are being groomed.
- dpark 5y ago> That's why I would never allow my daughter to be in the room alone with another adult man. You just can't trust people. No one? There are some terrible people out there who hide it really well, but this seems like a terrible way to live. Why even have kids if this is how you feel about humanity?