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Looks like a good reason to finally try out Rust. Does HN have any recommended IDEs?

by twofornone 5y ago

petee 5y ago
I'm just learning myself, and I found just Visual Studio Code and the Rust extension are great on Windows
- fsloth 5y ago
  Seconded! It all works incredibly well. Rust with Visual Studio Code and the relevant suggested extensions (CodeLLDB, rust-analyzer) must be least hostile expert system I've ever used (and I've tried a few).
- friedman23 5y ago
  Make sure to use the Rust Analyzer extension, it's is significantly better than the default Rust extension.
  - petee 5y ago
    I tried for a minute but it just wouldn't work out of the box and I didn't have time to investigate, so I reenabled the default for now. I thought I saw somewhere rust devs themselves recommending Rust Analyzer too
    - bobbyskelton41 5y ago
      https://github.com/rust-lang/www.rust-lang.org/pull/1620 https://github.com/rust-lang/www.rust-lang.org/pull/1620
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
mahulst 5y ago
I’m in favor of intelliJ or CLion but I hear good stuff about rust analyzer and vacode as well.
djmcnab 5y ago
You can either use rust-analyzer[1] (for which vscode is most well supported), or IntelliJ Rust [2]. Personally, I use `rust-analyzer` with vscode as a bevy developer. [1]: https://github.com/rust-analyzer/rust-analyzer https://github.com/rust-analyzer/rust-analyzer [2]: https://www.jetbrains.com/rust/ https://www.jetbrains.com/rust/
lordnacho 5y ago
Yep, and I've used bevy. Just get VSCode and the rust-analyzer. It's remarkable how well it works together with the language. There's also a thing that prints the errors and warnings in line to make it stand out more, sometimes you'll miss a squiggle. But also the suggestions are spot on quite often, eg finding the right import that you can just click without scrolling up to the top to insert, or adding/removing the & and * operators. You'll almost never come across a situation where you think it will compile but it doesn't.
pizza234 5y ago
I've tried Bevy v0.5 and it was very immature (as a matter of fact, all the Bevy "games" are single-screen). By looking at the release notes, it's not clear if it now supports OpenGL, which means that on some setups, it's not even possible to run correctly at all. It may be fun to write a hello world, but in this case, there are much easier (and more stable) engines. A typical setup if VSCode + Rust Analyzer. RA wasn't very stable around 6 months ago, but it was stable enough to be used regularly.
- mden 5y ago
  What do you mean by single screen? There's no technical reason for that to be the case and there are already games that have multiple screens, even past the basic main menu + main game loop ones. You can find multiple functioning and fun, if small, games here https://bevyengine.org/assets/#games https://bevyengine.org/assets/#games. > it's not clear if it now supports OpenGL Why do you need opengl when you have support for D3D, Vulkan, Metal, OpenglES, and WebGL2? What amount of the market are you missing? The reason you don't see many Bevy games is 1) yes, it's new and relatively immature and 2) it takes a long time to make a game. That said, I've had a lot of fun building out a tbs game with it and have been very impressed with the foundation so far. On top of that you get to write in Rust which for me is a huge productivity boost when compared to writing in say C# for Unity, but that's subjective.
  - Hemospectrum 5y ago
    > Why do you need opengl when you have support for D3D, Vulkan, Metal, OpenglES, and WebGL2? What amount of the market are you missing? My take: Software isn't used exclusively on new computers. I was just reading a forum thread full of complaints that a certain emulator won't work on 4th-gen i5 laptops. I want the software I write to be accessible to owners of machines at least as old as that, and I hope I can do that with Bevy.
    - nchi3 5y ago
      Bevy is still in its very early days. Using their limited development time to develop for what is already today old hardware doesn't make much sense considering its peak is likely another 5+ years in the future. By the time Bevy is very mature, the hardware that is only able to run OpenGL will be even less relevant and a very small niche. That being said, as far as I know Bevy is modular enough to write third party render backends. If it keeps growing, I'm sure someone will do that.
justinhj 5y ago
I use Neovim 0.6.0 with its built LSP with some plugins including simrat39/rust-tools.nvim. It uses rust-analyzer. It works extremely well but I don't use the debugger at all. I've used IntelliJ with a Rust plugin, to and it has debugger support of sorts, but the overall experience was sluggish and I never went back.
pjmlp 5y ago
It pains to suggest it, but VSCode is one of the best experiences. Don't forget to also add Microsoft's C/C++ tooling for the debugging support.
nu11ptr 5y ago
I _love_ the Rust plugin for Intellij. I have used VSCode a ton as well, but never for Rust. In general, I think Intellij is heads and shoulders above VSCode, but it is possible that 'rust analyzer' makes all the difference (I might check it out sometime).
- eklavya 5y ago
  It does, rust-analyser is much better than IntelliJ rust right now.
skavi 5y ago
Helix is nice, especially if you have rust-analyzer installed.

Looks like a good reason to finally try out Rust. Does HN have any recommended IDEs?

petee 5y ago

I'm just learning myself, and I found just Visual Studio Code and the Rust extension are great on Windows

fsloth 5y ago
Seconded! It all works incredibly well. Rust with Visual Studio Code and the relevant suggested extensions (CodeLLDB, rust-analyzer) must be least hostile expert system I've ever used (and I've tried a few).
friedman23 5y ago
Make sure to use the Rust Analyzer extension, it's is significantly better than the default Rust extension.
- petee 5y ago
  I tried for a minute but it just wouldn't work out of the box and I didn't have time to investigate, so I reenabled the default for now. I thought I saw somewhere rust devs themselves recommending Rust Analyzer too
  - bobbyskelton41 5y ago
    https://github.com/rust-lang/www.rust-lang.org/pull/1620 https://github.com/rust-lang/www.rust-lang.org/pull/1620
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]

mahulst 5y ago

I’m in favor of intelliJ or CLion but I hear good stuff about rust analyzer and vacode as well.

djmcnab 5y ago

You can either use rust-analyzer[1] (for which vscode is most well supported), or IntelliJ Rust [2]. Personally, I use `rust-analyzer` with vscode as a bevy developer. [1]: https://github.com/rust-analyzer/rust-analyzer https://github.com/rust-analyzer/rust-analyzer [2]: https://www.jetbrains.com/rust/ https://www.jetbrains.com/rust/

lordnacho 5y ago

Yep, and I've used bevy. Just get VSCode and the rust-analyzer. It's remarkable how well it works together with the language. There's also a thing that prints the errors and warnings in line to make it stand out more, sometimes you'll miss a squiggle. But also the suggestions are spot on quite often, eg finding the right import that you can just click without scrolling up to the top to insert, or adding/removing the & and * operators. You'll almost never come across a situation where you think it will compile but it doesn't.

pizza234 5y ago

I've tried Bevy v0.5 and it was very immature (as a matter of fact, all the Bevy "games" are single-screen). By looking at the release notes, it's not clear if it now supports OpenGL, which means that on some setups, it's not even possible to run correctly at all. It may be fun to write a hello world, but in this case, there are much easier (and more stable) engines. A typical setup if VSCode + Rust Analyzer. RA wasn't very stable around 6 months ago, but it was stable enough to be used regularly.

mden 5y ago
What do you mean by single screen? There's no technical reason for that to be the case and there are already games that have multiple screens, even past the basic main menu + main game loop ones. You can find multiple functioning and fun, if small, games here https://bevyengine.org/assets/#games https://bevyengine.org/assets/#games. > it's not clear if it now supports OpenGL Why do you need opengl when you have support for D3D, Vulkan, Metal, OpenglES, and WebGL2? What amount of the market are you missing? The reason you don't see many Bevy games is 1) yes, it's new and relatively immature and 2) it takes a long time to make a game. That said, I've had a lot of fun building out a tbs game with it and have been very impressed with the foundation so far. On top of that you get to write in Rust which for me is a huge productivity boost when compared to writing in say C# for Unity, but that's subjective.
- Hemospectrum 5y ago
  > Why do you need opengl when you have support for D3D, Vulkan, Metal, OpenglES, and WebGL2? What amount of the market are you missing? My take: Software isn't used exclusively on new computers. I was just reading a forum thread full of complaints that a certain emulator won't work on 4th-gen i5 laptops. I want the software I write to be accessible to owners of machines at least as old as that, and I hope I can do that with Bevy.
  - nchi3 5y ago
    Bevy is still in its very early days. Using their limited development time to develop for what is already today old hardware doesn't make much sense considering its peak is likely another 5+ years in the future. By the time Bevy is very mature, the hardware that is only able to run OpenGL will be even less relevant and a very small niche. That being said, as far as I know Bevy is modular enough to write third party render backends. If it keeps growing, I'm sure someone will do that.

justinhj 5y ago

I use Neovim 0.6.0 with its built LSP with some plugins including simrat39/rust-tools.nvim. It uses rust-analyzer. It works extremely well but I don't use the debugger at all. I've used IntelliJ with a Rust plugin, to and it has debugger support of sorts, but the overall experience was sluggish and I never went back.

pjmlp 5y ago

It pains to suggest it, but VSCode is one of the best experiences. Don't forget to also add Microsoft's C/C++ tooling for the debugging support.

nu11ptr 5y ago

I _love_ the Rust plugin for Intellij. I have used VSCode a ton as well, but never for Rust. In general, I think Intellij is heads and shoulders above VSCode, but it is possible that 'rust analyzer' makes all the difference (I might check it out sometime).

eklavya 5y ago
It does, rust-analyser is much better than IntelliJ rust right now.

skavi 5y ago

Helix is nice, especially if you have rust-analyzer installed.