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i don’t agree. the conveniences afforded by using my apple id for text messages and phone calls while i’m on my work computer is invaluable. on the other hand t

i don’t agree. the conveniences afforded by using my apple id for text messages and phone calls while i’m on my work computer is invaluable. on the other hand the windows id doesn’t ever get me anything of value. caveat: my thumbs hate the tiny keyboard so maybe i am particularly sensitive to this annoyance

cachvico 5y ago
I think the implication is that it's Ok to sign in to iCloud after the installation (and enable all the iCloud sync services). But the login account should be local only.
- microtherion 5y ago
  To the best of my knowledge, it does not make a difference whether you sign in on initial setup or afterward. The difficulties OP was describing, I think, are tied to activating the "Find my Mac" option in iCloud. Once you activate that, you cannot simply log out from iCloud without providing your password. Being able to do so would rather defeat the purpose of "Find my Mac" as a theft prevention mechanism. So if you don't want the issues described, don't opt into "Find my Mac" (Personally, I'm quite fond of the option, but YMMV).
tw04 5y ago
>i don’t agree. the conveniences afforded by using my apple id for text messages and phone calls while i’m on my work computer is invaluable. You don't need to login to the laptop with your Apple ID to do that, you just need to put your account into messenger.
hobs 5y ago
Unless that is a work number that's a big mistake, don't ever expose your personal text messages and phone calls to your employer - its a huge legal problem.
- rectang 5y ago
  Fully agree. I always create employer-specific IDs — Apple, GSuite, Github, and so on. It typically starts from a company email address and fans out. It confounds me how many of my colleagues don't do this. But when I explain my reasoning, nobody has complained. I understand that Apple requires its own employees to use personal IDs, which is really messed up. That organizational design flaw probably contributes to situations like the one we're discussing, since it might seem abnormal to an Apple person that someone would be associated with multiple IDs.
  - sgerenser 5y ago
    Apple does not require you to use your personal ID on your company laptop, but they do require you to use a non-@apple.com email for an iCloud account (only really needed for Find My Mac, but you’re allowed to use other iCloud features if desired). Many people for expediency just use their personal account, but after various high profile issues in the news many have realized it’s worth the hassle of creating a second account (e.g. myname.work@icloud.com).
    - _rs 5y ago
      I wonder what Apple’s explanation/justification for this is?
      - hobs 5y ago
        Operating by fiat? Because they can.
      - GeekyBear 5y ago
        One of the account recovery methods is to request that Apple email you an "unlock my iCloud account" web link. If they were to send that email to your locked iCloud account, you wouldn't be able to receive it.
      - sneak 5y ago
        My guess would be that iCloud UX is designed around a lifestyle with a single account per person, and they want their staff's UX patterns to mirror their customers' as closely as possible. When you wake up in bed you don't grab two phones, you grab one.
cjcampbell 5y ago
Apple doesn’t make it clear, but you can still get this without using the AppleID to log into your device. When setting up, create a local account first. You’ll have an opportunity to later log into your AppleID for use with messages, FaceTime, App Store, etc. You can also switch to a local sign in account after the fact. This may have changed in recent versions, but try going to system preferences and selecting to reset your password. You should see an option to switch to a local account for sign in, which will only impact the log in process. You’ll still be able to keep your id associated for all of the other benefits.
- stouset 5y ago
  What on Earth are you talking about? I have set up several MBPs from factory over the past ten years and it hasn’t ever been apparent to me that you could use your AppleID to log in locally. I’ve attached every single one of these devices to my AppleID for iCloud but none of them have used anything but local credentials to sign in. And it’s been far from hard to do. It was—as best as I can tell—the normal setup path.
  - agrunyan 5y ago
    Regardless of what the author of the post you’re replying to said, there’s no need to strike such a needlessly condescending tone.
    - copperx 5y ago
      People ought to be allowed to have a personality.
      - mynameisvlad 5y ago
        People ought to realize they're talking to other people, as well, not cardboard cutouts with names like "mynameisvlad". It's not hard to have a personality without being condescending.
        5y ago

cachvico 5y ago

I think the implication is that it's Ok to sign in to iCloud after the installation (and enable all the iCloud sync services). But the login account should be local only.

microtherion 5y ago
To the best of my knowledge, it does not make a difference whether you sign in on initial setup or afterward. The difficulties OP was describing, I think, are tied to activating the "Find my Mac" option in iCloud. Once you activate that, you cannot simply log out from iCloud without providing your password. Being able to do so would rather defeat the purpose of "Find my Mac" as a theft prevention mechanism. So if you don't want the issues described, don't opt into "Find my Mac" (Personally, I'm quite fond of the option, but YMMV).

tw04 5y ago

>i don’t agree. the conveniences afforded by using my apple id for text messages and phone calls while i’m on my work computer is invaluable. You don't need to login to the laptop with your Apple ID to do that, you just need to put your account into messenger.

hobs 5y ago

Unless that is a work number that's a big mistake, don't ever expose your personal text messages and phone calls to your employer - its a huge legal problem.

rectang 5y ago
Fully agree. I always create employer-specific IDs — Apple, GSuite, Github, and so on. It typically starts from a company email address and fans out. It confounds me how many of my colleagues don't do this. But when I explain my reasoning, nobody has complained. I understand that Apple requires its own employees to use personal IDs, which is really messed up. That organizational design flaw probably contributes to situations like the one we're discussing, since it might seem abnormal to an Apple person that someone would be associated with multiple IDs.
- sgerenser 5y ago
  Apple does not require you to use your personal ID on your company laptop, but they do require you to use a non-@apple.com email for an iCloud account (only really needed for Find My Mac, but you’re allowed to use other iCloud features if desired). Many people for expediency just use their personal account, but after various high profile issues in the news many have realized it’s worth the hassle of creating a second account (e.g. myname.work@icloud.com).
  - _rs 5y ago
    I wonder what Apple’s explanation/justification for this is?
    - hobs 5y ago
      Operating by fiat? Because they can.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      One of the account recovery methods is to request that Apple email you an "unlock my iCloud account" web link. If they were to send that email to your locked iCloud account, you wouldn't be able to receive it.
    - sneak 5y ago
      My guess would be that iCloud UX is designed around a lifestyle with a single account per person, and they want their staff's UX patterns to mirror their customers' as closely as possible. When you wake up in bed you don't grab two phones, you grab one.

cjcampbell 5y ago

Apple doesn’t make it clear, but you can still get this without using the AppleID to log into your device. When setting up, create a local account first. You’ll have an opportunity to later log into your AppleID for use with messages, FaceTime, App Store, etc. You can also switch to a local sign in account after the fact. This may have changed in recent versions, but try going to system preferences and selecting to reset your password. You should see an option to switch to a local account for sign in, which will only impact the log in process. You’ll still be able to keep your id associated for all of the other benefits.

stouset 5y ago
What on Earth are you talking about? I have set up several MBPs from factory over the past ten years and it hasn’t ever been apparent to me that you could use your AppleID to log in locally. I’ve attached every single one of these devices to my AppleID for iCloud but none of them have used anything but local credentials to sign in. And it’s been far from hard to do. It was—as best as I can tell—the normal setup path.
- agrunyan 5y ago
  Regardless of what the author of the post you’re replying to said, there’s no need to strike such a needlessly condescending tone.
  - copperx 5y ago
    People ought to be allowed to have a personality.
    - mynameisvlad 5y ago
      People ought to realize they're talking to other people, as well, not cardboard cutouts with names like "mynameisvlad". It's not hard to have a personality without being condescending.
      - 5y ago