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I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, lik

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nationalism. PS. 2022 is gonna be fun(not).

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peakaboo 5y ago
After covid I just accept we are living in hell. Everything about the systems we exist in is a joke. At the end of the day, just embrace the madness I guess.
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  Nah. It is going to be fine.
throwaway4good 5y ago
So what drives this conflict? As I understand the ousted government was nationalist yet it asked Russia for help?
- progre 5y ago
  Likely losing power means loss of fortunes, privilages and for some people even life, so they will do anything to stay in power.
thejackgoode 5y ago
Their collective security treaty is… interesting. I wonder how Russian people would react if situation was opposite and Kazakh paratroopers landed in Kazan, for example. Calling civil unrest “foreign terrorism” is not new in history for sure, but not in the age of internet. What to say, no “end of history” in sight
ilaksh 5y ago
Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?
- sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
  THe prices were still very low. And the decision was almost immediately reversed. Any economical problem can't justify violent uprising with takeover of an airport and decapitating of police officers, etc. etc. Never.
  - janeroe 5y ago
    Our only source for "decapitation of police officers" are Russian telegram accounts which, there is no question, are 100% trustworthy (they are not; what happened to that poor "little boy in underwear crucified in Ukraine" that never existed). On the other hand, we've got plenty of evidence of police shooting protesters, including in the head. I'm somehow sure relatives of the murdered are not OK with that. I wouldn't even be surprised if they demanded revenge and acted on it (family means more in that part of the world and it's way bigger, too).
    - sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
      No, it is the official Kazakhstan source, not Russian telegram accounts. The uprising is very vioulent without any doubts. There are a lot of sources to confirm captures of government buildings and posession of arms. Speaking of Ukraine, do you remember a "burned AC unit" in Lugansk? That was not media, that was official Ukrainian statement.
      - janeroe 5y ago
        > No, it is the official Kazakhstan source Which source? The one that requested Russian intervention? Why there are lots of videos of protests, shootings, killings by the Kazakh army, and looting by unidentified people but only words of the interested party for this one? I don't remember the "AC unit" but I do remember Russian media's "100% sure version of 2 Ukraine planes downing the Netherlands' jet" a few years ago (with interviews of "experts" all over the place). That was their position for a long time (maybe half a year, until they shamelessly changed it to "Ukraine BUKs did it"). The "beheading story" seems like a fairy tale from the same authors.
brnt 5y ago
It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?
- HatchedLake721 5y ago
  Foreign army in this context is just using a treaty you signed with an ally to request assistance. It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another.
  - brnt 5y ago
    It'd be very strange if the French government asks Germany or Nato to quell the gilet-jaunes demo, wouldn't it?
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    - ReptileMan 5y ago
      And yet intelligence agencies routinely spy for one another to get around those pesky warrant and probable cause requirements.
      - jevgeni 5y ago
        It's almost like intelligence work and active military operations aren't the same thing...
    - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
      Aren't most people from Kazakhstan pretty anti Russia? Wouldn't this be more like Taiwan asking China to send in the army to help with a protest? Or Iraq asking Iran?
  - sam_lowry_ 5y ago
    Except that NATO countries are not run by tzars in their 70-ies whose only hope is to die quietly in bed, surrounded by elite killers.
anonair 5y ago
So much anti-russian sentiment that 30% of population is still russian and russian is the second (if not first) most spoken language in Kazakhstan

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peakaboo 5y ago

After covid I just accept we are living in hell. Everything about the systems we exist in is a joke. At the end of the day, just embrace the madness I guess.

throwaway4good 5y ago
Nah. It is going to be fine.

throwaway4good 5y ago

So what drives this conflict? As I understand the ousted government was nationalist yet it asked Russia for help?

progre 5y ago
Likely losing power means loss of fortunes, privilages and for some people even life, so they will do anything to stay in power.

thejackgoode 5y ago

Their collective security treaty is… interesting. I wonder how Russian people would react if situation was opposite and Kazakh paratroopers landed in Kazan, for example. Calling civil unrest “foreign terrorism” is not new in history for sure, but not in the age of internet. What to say, no “end of history” in sight

ilaksh 5y ago

Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?

sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
THe prices were still very low. And the decision was almost immediately reversed. Any economical problem can't justify violent uprising with takeover of an airport and decapitating of police officers, etc. etc. Never.
- janeroe 5y ago
  Our only source for "decapitation of police officers" are Russian telegram accounts which, there is no question, are 100% trustworthy (they are not; what happened to that poor "little boy in underwear crucified in Ukraine" that never existed). On the other hand, we've got plenty of evidence of police shooting protesters, including in the head. I'm somehow sure relatives of the murdered are not OK with that. I wouldn't even be surprised if they demanded revenge and acted on it (family means more in that part of the world and it's way bigger, too).
  - sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
    No, it is the official Kazakhstan source, not Russian telegram accounts. The uprising is very vioulent without any doubts. There are a lot of sources to confirm captures of government buildings and posession of arms. Speaking of Ukraine, do you remember a "burned AC unit" in Lugansk? That was not media, that was official Ukrainian statement.
    - janeroe 5y ago
      > No, it is the official Kazakhstan source Which source? The one that requested Russian intervention? Why there are lots of videos of protests, shootings, killings by the Kazakh army, and looting by unidentified people but only words of the interested party for this one? I don't remember the "AC unit" but I do remember Russian media's "100% sure version of 2 Ukraine planes downing the Netherlands' jet" a few years ago (with interviews of "experts" all over the place). That was their position for a long time (maybe half a year, until they shamelessly changed it to "Ukraine BUKs did it"). The "beheading story" seems like a fairy tale from the same authors.

brnt 5y ago

It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

HatchedLake721 5y ago
Foreign army in this context is just using a treaty you signed with an ally to request assistance. It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another.
- brnt 5y ago
  It'd be very strange if the French government asks Germany or Nato to quell the gilet-jaunes demo, wouldn't it?
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  - ReptileMan 5y ago
    And yet intelligence agencies routinely spy for one another to get around those pesky warrant and probable cause requirements.
    - jevgeni 5y ago
      It's almost like intelligence work and active military operations aren't the same thing...
  - onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
    Aren't most people from Kazakhstan pretty anti Russia? Wouldn't this be more like Taiwan asking China to send in the army to help with a protest? Or Iraq asking Iran?
- sam_lowry_ 5y ago
  Except that NATO countries are not run by tzars in their 70-ies whose only hope is to die quietly in bed, surrounded by elite killers.

anonair 5y ago

So much anti-russian sentiment that 30% of population is still russian and russian is the second (if not first) most spoken language in Kazakhstan