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With a minuscule fatality rate at this point, all these measures seem like a massive waste of energy and resources. Masks, vaccines, dividers, hand sanitizer… n

With a minuscule fatality rate at this point, all these measures seem like a massive waste of energy and resources. Masks, vaccines, dividers, hand sanitizer… none of it actually stops transmission. Spare everyone from this godawful ceremony.

makk 5y ago
Hospitalizations tend to precede fatalities. While I hope you're right, it's too early (by a couple weeks in the US, at least) to start trumpeting a "minuscule fatality rate". https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital?country=USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-ho...
- anonygler 5y ago
  Unless you’re elderly or have health issues, Covid fatality rate was already very, very low. Therapeutics make that even better.
  - kuraudo 5y ago
    That's complete nonsense. If covid wasn't as deadly as we have been reliably informed, then they would not be forcing us to go through these otherwise-draconian and insane mandates or lockdowns.
    - benjaminwootton 5y ago
      I just spent 10 minutes Googling for a good source and surprisingly couldn’t find one. For under 65 say, the fatality rate is well under 1%. This was before vaccines and Omnicron is estimated as 70% lower. We must be well under the IFR of flu already.
      - _dain_ 5y ago
        I think the person you're replying to was being sarcastic
      - nradov 5y ago
        The CDC has published estimates of fatality rate by age group. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
        hnaccount_rng 5y ago
        That’s interesting data. Thanks for the link
    - chana_masala 5y ago
      > then they would not be forcing us to go through these otherwise-draconian and insane mandates or lockdowns. Your faith in the government acting benevolently is surprising. There is the phrase "never let a good crisis go to waste"
    - tinus_hn 5y ago
      So how deadly do you think COVID is?
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  - wrycoder 5y ago
    In New Hampshire, 93% of the deaths are over 60.
  - microtherion 5y ago
    It depends on your definition of "elderly", "health issues", and "very, very low". There were 60,000 US fatalities of people younger than 50 (1 Vietnam War's worth of US casualties, or, if you prefer, 15,000 Benghazis). Yes, for many of the dead, you can retroactively point to "health issues", but those are _extremely_ common, even among people who generally don't consider themselves "chronically ill" at all. And some of the "health issues" might come down to having a bad set of certain genes that up to now have never caused any significant issues. Finally, there are other Covid consequences than death. I personally know several people (some of them perfectly healthy people in their early 20s) dealing with fatigue/loss of taste for a year (and counting). Personally, I'm fairly confident that the risk of severe outcomes of an acute COVID-19 infection are minuscule for me, thanks to vaccination (So that's a vast improvement over a year ago), but the risks of chronic complications are not as well managed with vaccines, are not particularly closely correlated with severity of the acute infection, and are, as of yet, practically unknown for the omicron variant.
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Havoc 5y ago
>With a minuscule fatality rate at this point, Even at 0.1% over 7b population that's still a couple million body bags so measures even if only partially effective at preventing transmission are still worthwhile
- nradov 5y ago
  Transmission can be delayed in some cases but ultimately prevention is futile and everyone will be exposed. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments cut the fatality rate way down. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
- TheGigaChad 5y ago
akomtu 5y ago
I think of it as a fire drill, a preparation for a real fire. Just trying to find some rationale in this madness.

makk 5y ago

Hospitalizations tend to precede fatalities. While I hope you're right, it's too early (by a couple weeks in the US, at least) to start trumpeting a "minuscule fatality rate". https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-hospital?country=USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-ho...

anonygler 5y ago
Unless you’re elderly or have health issues, Covid fatality rate was already very, very low. Therapeutics make that even better.
- kuraudo 5y ago
  That's complete nonsense. If covid wasn't as deadly as we have been reliably informed, then they would not be forcing us to go through these otherwise-draconian and insane mandates or lockdowns.
  - benjaminwootton 5y ago
    I just spent 10 minutes Googling for a good source and surprisingly couldn’t find one. For under 65 say, the fatality rate is well under 1%. This was before vaccines and Omnicron is estimated as 70% lower. We must be well under the IFR of flu already.
    - _dain_ 5y ago
      I think the person you're replying to was being sarcastic
    - nradov 5y ago
      The CDC has published estimates of fatality rate by age group. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...
      - hnaccount_rng 5y ago
        That’s interesting data. Thanks for the link
  - chana_masala 5y ago
    > then they would not be forcing us to go through these otherwise-draconian and insane mandates or lockdowns. Your faith in the government acting benevolently is surprising. There is the phrase "never let a good crisis go to waste"
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    So how deadly do you think COVID is?
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- wrycoder 5y ago
  In New Hampshire, 93% of the deaths are over 60.
- microtherion 5y ago
  It depends on your definition of "elderly", "health issues", and "very, very low". There were 60,000 US fatalities of people younger than 50 (1 Vietnam War's worth of US casualties, or, if you prefer, 15,000 Benghazis). Yes, for many of the dead, you can retroactively point to "health issues", but those are _extremely_ common, even among people who generally don't consider themselves "chronically ill" at all. And some of the "health issues" might come down to having a bad set of certain genes that up to now have never caused any significant issues. Finally, there are other Covid consequences than death. I personally know several people (some of them perfectly healthy people in their early 20s) dealing with fatigue/loss of taste for a year (and counting). Personally, I'm fairly confident that the risk of severe outcomes of an acute COVID-19 infection are minuscule for me, thanks to vaccination (So that's a vast improvement over a year ago), but the risks of chronic complications are not as well managed with vaccines, are not particularly closely correlated with severity of the acute infection, and are, as of yet, practically unknown for the omicron variant.

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Havoc 5y ago

>With a minuscule fatality rate at this point, Even at 0.1% over 7b population that's still a couple million body bags so measures even if only partially effective at preventing transmission are still worthwhile

nradov 5y ago
Transmission can be delayed in some cases but ultimately prevention is futile and everyone will be exposed. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments cut the fatality rate way down. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
TheGigaChad 5y ago

akomtu 5y ago

I think of it as a fire drill, a preparation for a real fire. Just trying to find some rationale in this madness.