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The author has a history of antagonism with CenturyLink. https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-November/216352.html https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermai

The author has a history of antagonism with CenturyLink. https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-November/216352.html https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2021-November/2163... I would not be surprised if this were more an attempt to drop him as a customer, than a hostile act towards all Tor users.

superkuh 5y ago
Any company calling itself an internet service provider that alters TCP sessions is no longer an internet service provider. It's more of a web service provider. This is antagonism and fraud by the ISP, regardless of anything else. When Comcast was caught doing it in the early 2010s there was a huge uproar. I guess everyone using mobile now has dimmed expectations.
- floatingatoll 5y ago
  Does your declaration about modification extend to supplementing the DSCP values of SIP packets (when not set) with low-latency / high-importance tags to prioritize them over general backbone traffic?
  - wtallis 5y ago
    Should ISPs be allowed to add prioritization to one particular VoIP protocol even when the end-user isn't tagging those packets, while leaving other competing VoIP protocols at a disadvantage?
    - PeterisP 5y ago
      I can't answer the "should" question, but as of now they most certainly are allowed to do so.
- deleted 5y ago
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- onphonenow 5y ago
  What happens if they update TTL values - do they go to jail for fraud? And "antagonism"??
- tw04 5y ago
  They aren't altering his TCP sessions. The calix modem has built in ddos protection that his tor relay is triggering. Running a tor relay on a home connection is begging to be fired as a customer.
  - R0b0t1 5y ago
    If they wish to claim to be a service provider they can't exercise discretion in this way.
    - PeterisP 5y ago
      > If they wish to claim to be a service provider they can't exercise discretion in this way. Why do you think so? AFAIK there are not any legal requirements for internet service providers to not exercise discretion; they are allowed offer internet service, call themselves a service provider and exercise discretion in this way. This is not a case about common carrier protections, if there was one then perhaps this incident might be used as an argument that they should not apply, but it's debatable whether it would succeed, and in that (whether this discretion would affect their position in some future lawsuits) a legal risk that they can choose to take. They definitely are allowed to exercise some discretion, and as far as I see, the latest FCC rulings since 2017 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/14/the-fcc-is-expected-to-repeal-its-net-neutrality-rules-today-in-a-sweeping-act-of-deregulation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/14...) do not require internet service providers to be neutral at all.
burnte 5y ago
CenturyLink is pretty antagonistic too. I had to go directly to the North American COO (who happened to live here in Atlanta where I live) to get them to finally finish a fiber deployment that was scheduled for 9 months, and wound up taking 21 months. $7k/month and a 5 year committment for the build out, they dragged their feet and gave me the runaround for nearly two years.

superkuh 5y ago

Any company calling itself an internet service provider that alters TCP sessions is no longer an internet service provider. It's more of a web service provider. This is antagonism and fraud by the ISP, regardless of anything else. When Comcast was caught doing it in the early 2010s there was a huge uproar. I guess everyone using mobile now has dimmed expectations.

floatingatoll 5y ago
Does your declaration about modification extend to supplementing the DSCP values of SIP packets (when not set) with low-latency / high-importance tags to prioritize them over general backbone traffic?
- wtallis 5y ago
  Should ISPs be allowed to add prioritization to one particular VoIP protocol even when the end-user isn't tagging those packets, while leaving other competing VoIP protocols at a disadvantage?
  - PeterisP 5y ago
    I can't answer the "should" question, but as of now they most certainly are allowed to do so.
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onphonenow 5y ago
What happens if they update TTL values - do they go to jail for fraud? And "antagonism"??
tw04 5y ago
They aren't altering his TCP sessions. The calix modem has built in ddos protection that his tor relay is triggering. Running a tor relay on a home connection is begging to be fired as a customer.
- R0b0t1 5y ago
  If they wish to claim to be a service provider they can't exercise discretion in this way.
  - PeterisP 5y ago
    > If they wish to claim to be a service provider they can't exercise discretion in this way. Why do you think so? AFAIK there are not any legal requirements for internet service providers to not exercise discretion; they are allowed offer internet service, call themselves a service provider and exercise discretion in this way. This is not a case about common carrier protections, if there was one then perhaps this incident might be used as an argument that they should not apply, but it's debatable whether it would succeed, and in that (whether this discretion would affect their position in some future lawsuits) a legal risk that they can choose to take. They definitely are allowed to exercise some discretion, and as far as I see, the latest FCC rulings since 2017 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/14/the-fcc-is-expected-to-repeal-its-net-neutrality-rules-today-in-a-sweeping-act-of-deregulation/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/14...) do not require internet service providers to be neutral at all.

burnte 5y ago

CenturyLink is pretty antagonistic too. I had to go directly to the North American COO (who happened to live here in Atlanta where I live) to get them to finally finish a fiber deployment that was scheduled for 9 months, and wound up taking 21 months. $7k/month and a 5 year committment for the build out, they dragged their feet and gave me the runaround for nearly two years.