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I would love to see them provide references and links to studies they are using to make these decisions. As it is this just reads almost like propaganda or a v

I would love to see them provide references and links to studies they are using to make these decisions. As it is this just reads almost like propaganda or a very strong, "trust us, we're the CDC". We're approaching a megadeath of Americans from COVID-19 and cannot continue on this disastrous path.

Bombthecat 5y ago
Checkout Dr. campbell on Youtube. He is pretty good. I like how he goes over things and explains them.
- qbasic_forever 5y ago
  I've watched him since the start and his quality of advice has strongly declined since the pro-Ivermectin/Joe Rogan crowd started filling his comments with nonsense. He was great in March 2020 when it was clear governments were too slow to react. Nowadays he seems resigned to fatalism that "we're all just going to get it, nothing can be done".
  - timr 5y ago
    We are all going to get it. This isn't fatalism. It's just a statement of fact. It's an endemic respiratory virus with multiple animal reservoirs, and there is no vaccine that provides sterilizing immunity. Elimination is a pipe dream.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      There are plenty of other infectious diseases that aren't eradicated but that most people never get. Why that dichotomy for this one?
      - timr 5y ago
        Because those diseases have been circulating amongst the human population for thousands of years (or longer), and there is a level of population immunity that keeps large outbreaks from occurring. Also, you aren't even aware of most of the viruses you're infected with on a regular basis, because you aren't looking for them, and immunity you've built up over a lifetime reduces the severity of symptoms. For all you know, you've been infected asymptomatically / minimally symptomatically with any number of common respiratory viruses in the past year, and written it off completely. The big difference for SARS-CoV2 was that the entire global population was immunologically naive in 2020 (maybe; there's evidence for some level of immunity due to common-cold coronaviruses). This is rapidly changing.
      - nradov 5y ago
        Vinay Prasad MD wrote a good explanation about why it will be impossible to avoid this virus. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
iherbig 5y ago
While I agree with both sentiments, I find the juxtaposition between the two interesting as it implies a relationship between them but they don't seem to be related at all.
phonypc 5y ago
Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. With the way case numbers are going, for everyone to strictly adhere to the old recommendations would necessitate pretty huge disruptions to essential services.
codeddesign 5y ago
Megadeath? That’s a little extreme considering that the death rate has been tapering for some time. On the other hand, the administration and CDC have been running propaganda the entire year, so this is nothing new. Expecting truth out of either of them about this is a lost cause.
- iso1210 5y ago
  Current US deaths is 815k, and increasing steadilly. At this rate it will hit 1Mdeath by the end of April
  - wackro 5y ago
    Excess deaths are over 1m. See https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
  - TeeMassive 5y ago
    There is no way to know if those deaths were because or with Covid-19. Also correlation doesn't mean causation. Confinement caused a lot of hardships on people. Hell, fentanyl alone kills hundred of thousands each year, that's not even counting alcohol, other drugs, stress and solitude.
    - codeddesign 5y ago
      The hypocrisy is astounding. I don’t disagree with the numbers above, but at the same time you are absolutely right - yet downvoted and grayed out. Reminds me of Twitter and Reddit.
      - TeeMassive 5y ago
        On Reddit / Twitter I would be shadow banned and downvoted by bots and bought accounts. HN really is a sanctuary IMO.
        5y ago
prirun 5y ago
Who needs a study? We have this! https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/23/airlines-request-to-reduce-covid-quarantine-time-wrong-move-flight-attendant-union-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/23/airlines-request-to-reduce-c...

Bombthecat 5y ago

Checkout Dr. campbell on Youtube. He is pretty good. I like how he goes over things and explains them.

qbasic_forever 5y ago
I've watched him since the start and his quality of advice has strongly declined since the pro-Ivermectin/Joe Rogan crowd started filling his comments with nonsense. He was great in March 2020 when it was clear governments were too slow to react. Nowadays he seems resigned to fatalism that "we're all just going to get it, nothing can be done".
- timr 5y ago
  We are all going to get it. This isn't fatalism. It's just a statement of fact. It's an endemic respiratory virus with multiple animal reservoirs, and there is no vaccine that provides sterilizing immunity. Elimination is a pipe dream.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    There are plenty of other infectious diseases that aren't eradicated but that most people never get. Why that dichotomy for this one?
    - timr 5y ago
      Because those diseases have been circulating amongst the human population for thousands of years (or longer), and there is a level of population immunity that keeps large outbreaks from occurring. Also, you aren't even aware of most of the viruses you're infected with on a regular basis, because you aren't looking for them, and immunity you've built up over a lifetime reduces the severity of symptoms. For all you know, you've been infected asymptomatically / minimally symptomatically with any number of common respiratory viruses in the past year, and written it off completely. The big difference for SARS-CoV2 was that the entire global population was immunologically naive in 2020 (maybe; there's evidence for some level of immunity due to common-cold coronaviruses). This is rapidly changing.
    - nradov 5y ago
      Vinay Prasad MD wrote a good explanation about why it will be impossible to avoid this virus. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

iherbig 5y ago

While I agree with both sentiments, I find the juxtaposition between the two interesting as it implies a relationship between them but they don't seem to be related at all.

phonypc 5y ago

Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. With the way case numbers are going, for everyone to strictly adhere to the old recommendations would necessitate pretty huge disruptions to essential services.

codeddesign 5y ago

Megadeath? That’s a little extreme considering that the death rate has been tapering for some time. On the other hand, the administration and CDC have been running propaganda the entire year, so this is nothing new. Expecting truth out of either of them about this is a lost cause.

iso1210 5y ago
Current US deaths is 815k, and increasing steadilly. At this rate it will hit 1Mdeath by the end of April
- wackro 5y ago
  Excess deaths are over 1m. See https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...
- TeeMassive 5y ago
  There is no way to know if those deaths were because or with Covid-19. Also correlation doesn't mean causation. Confinement caused a lot of hardships on people. Hell, fentanyl alone kills hundred of thousands each year, that's not even counting alcohol, other drugs, stress and solitude.
  - codeddesign 5y ago
    The hypocrisy is astounding. I don’t disagree with the numbers above, but at the same time you are absolutely right - yet downvoted and grayed out. Reminds me of Twitter and Reddit.
    - TeeMassive 5y ago
      On Reddit / Twitter I would be shadow banned and downvoted by bots and bought accounts. HN really is a sanctuary IMO.
      - 5y ago

prirun 5y ago

Who needs a study? We have this! https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/23/airlines-request-to-reduce-covid-quarantine-time-wrong-move-flight-attendant-union-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/23/airlines-request-to-reduce-c...