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2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade
- richiezc 5y agoNow if they would only deliver mine, 100 days and counting since I ordered it. Price has gone up $5K since I ordered (I'm locked in but can't change anything)... Estimated delivery window: 1/6/22-2/3/22
- gt565k 5y agoCould be worse. My buddy ordered a basic trim Jeep Wrangler. Was supposed to get it in September then didn’t hear anything. 2 weeks ago he went to the dealership to find out his order was cancelled by the factory and had to fight his way up 3 levels of managers until they told him and gave him his money back for the deposit.
- nawgz 5y agoInsanity. I feel truly lucky to have bought a car in Oct 2020. I dream of selling it for that sweet above-what-I-paid price point... but these stories help sober me up
- eganist 5y ago> I feel truly lucky to have bought a car in Oct 2020. I dream of selling it for that sweet above-what-I-paid price point... but these stories help sober me up Similar story. Bought a specific car that felt like it was already at the bottom of its depreciation curve October 2020, and nine months later, other dealers offered me 26% more than I paid for it. I'm thankful.
- girvo 5y agoOdd question: would you need to report (and pay tax on) the capital gains if you did sell the car for more than you paid for after buying it 12 months prior?
- richiezc 5y agoApparently yes, I guess its no different from selling a home: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/personaluseproperty.asp#:~:text=Personal%20use%20property%20is%20used,food%20items%2C%20and%20so%20on https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/personaluseproperty.asp.... "KEY TAKEAWAYS Personal use property is used for personal enjoyment as opposed to business or investment purposes. These may include personally-owned cars, homes, appliances, apparel, food items, and so on." "Technically, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) considers personal use property a capital asset and treats it differently than other types of property or assets.2 Taxpayers cannot deduct losses on the sale of personal use property, while a gain on the sale of such property is subject to taxation.3"
- pmorici 5y agoCount yourself lucky most models and configurations are back ordered a year out
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- gabagool 5y agoIn fairness, I understand that every car manufacturer is going through the same supply and delivery delays. I would also seriously hope that they aren't going to charge you the new, elevated price.
- simonebrunozzi 5y agoIf that's of any consolation, a friend of mine ordered a Volvo XC 60 now (mid December 2021), and heard they expect the delivery to be in August 2022. 9 months from now.
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- soheil 5y agoModel X takes one and half years if you place your order today, so I consider you lucky.
- ajross 5y agoIt's just amazing how big a knee in the demand curve there was. I ordered mine in April and got it in eight weeks, which seemed like an impossible wait at the time. Now I feel like an old timer. And it's not like production got stymied, Tesla's producing 70% more cars now than they were a year ago and they're still sold out for 6-12 months.
- rootusrootus 5y agoThey must be becoming mainstream now. I bought my 2019 by walking in off the street when I saw a batch show up at the local showroom. Same day, had to wait for prep but picked it up that afternoon like three hours after I put the order in online.
- mgarfias 5y agoMy wife ordered a sprinter van 9months ago. Was built in September, got stuck on a parts hood and still isn’t here.
- mgarfias 5y agooh, it arrived today. nuts
- borgel 5y agoTo chime in on the pity party; ordered a Ford Mustang Mach E at the start of April 2021. Original estimate was 3 months to delivery. Currently the delivery estimate is 10 months, but no one seems to be able to tell if that's real or not.
- elif 5y agoAt current pace, ford will produce around 64k ME annually when they reach a year of full production. That is about 1/5th of Tesla's 2020 US production. Meanwhile Tesla's Texas model Y factory is about to open and add another 500k to their annual capacity. If demand is similar for both cars, I think you will be driving a Tesla sooner.
- maxdo 5y agoMach E manufacturing is a joke. They recall all cars produced until summer because roof fell off. Right now they stop sales because of seat-bells. They have door opening issues all the time(check youtube). Ford's overall EV production in their only Mexico plant in 2021 will be ~40k. While Tesla added Giga Berlin in Giga Texas in January, that pushes their production capacity to 2 millions/year. 2022 probably will be 1.4-1.5m tough. Buying EV from Ford nowadays is like buying a car from a small startup. Even Rivian and Lucid will beat them in 1-2 years lol The problem with form they don't make money on these EV's for them it's an experiment you're paying for. They makes production artificially low since they don't know what to do with EV's. Electric F150 planned volume is also a joke. Good luck waiting for your car.
- belltaco 5y ago>1/6/21-2/3/21 Do you mean 2022?
- richiezc 5y agohaha yes, sometimes it feels like its still 2020
- RandallBrown 5y agoI ordered a Ford Transit van back in May 2021. They're currently scheduled to start building them in January. No idea when the delivery will be.
- dandigangi 5y agoHope you get it soon! I assume its a standard range if its taking that long. Got my performance is less than 30 days.
- richiezc 5y agoYes its a long range, they are optimizing for profit where MYP > MYLR and if your car has Full Self Driving (+$10K margin basically) they seem to be delivering those first per threads on tesla motors club.
- dandigangi 5y agoSounds about right. It will be worth it when you do. Amazing car. Very happy. Especially if you're a techie.
- nikodunk 5y agoOut of stock is the main headwind for my side project https://app.electrade.app https://app.electrade.app (trying to simplify the EV leasing process). Everything's out of stock. Always. High gas prices are tailwinds though, so hopefully things will pick up when supply chains catch up. Also, all cars are facing delivery issues, so it's not only EVs :)
- moduspol 5y agoWith a date that soon, you must have ordered the Performance, right? I ordered a non-Performance Model Y LR late October and the delivery estimate was May. Then it moved to June. Then three days ago, I got notice it's ready for delivery and they want to deliver between Christmas and the end of the year. I'm planning to go through with it, but I'll be looking at it closely. I guess I'm hoping it's one that someone rejected just to try and get the BBB tax credit next year that may or may not be actually happening. It'll be a little disappointing if I jump through all these hoops only to find clear issues that led to a rejection.
- richiezc 5y agoMYLR, just a few months back the wait wasn't as long as it is now
- chrisseaton 5y ago> gone up $5K since I ordered (I'm locked in but can't change anything) Lol what? Could they increase the price by 100k and there would be nothing you could do about it you're locked in to pay?
- rrrhys 5y ago"locked in" suggests "locked in at original price"
- richiezc 5y agoyes, this
- themaninthedark 5y agoThe way I read that is that they have their price locked in(The price they are paying is 5k less the current asking price) but they are unable to make any changes to their order: trim level, battery range, etc.
- throwaway894345 5y agoFor what it’s worth, I ordered my Y in August and it shipped in late November. During that time, the estimated delivery date bounced around a lot, going as far back as February and then it abruptly jumped back to late November (the jump happened in mid November). It’s a great car; my only qualm is that they didn’t have enough parts so they delivered mine without a USB hub or wireless phone charging function—all well and good, better than delaying the delivery; however, the fact that this was either not caught by Tesla’s inspection team or not reported is fairly disappointing.
- jeffbee 5y agoJoining 15 other models from 7 makes in the same size/price class that already had the same rating. https://www.iihs.org/ratings/class-summary/midsize-luxury-suvs https://www.iihs.org/ratings/class-summary/midsize-luxury-su...
- MaxBareiss 5y agoYes. There are many vehicles which earn the highest rating from IIHS. It's more useful to think of vehicles which can't pass every test as deficient; except for new tests, which are designed so that most vehicles fail the year they introduce the test. Most vehicles start passing new tests after three model years.
- sydthrowaway 5y agoIndustry awards are a sham.
- King-Aaron 5y agoElaborate?
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- revscat 5y agoHow is that relevant to this discussion? IIHS is an independent nonprofit. It’s a completely different organization.
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- MBCook 5y agoThis is IIHS, not J.D. Power. It’s based on objective tests.
- beepbooptheory 5y agoIn general for something like this, I'd want the "highest" accolade to also be the most common, but that's just me
- jeffbee 5y agoIt is.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoYou'd want automobile safety standards to be set such that the majority of new cars are able to achieve the highest rating? Why?
- wfme 5y agoThat isn't what the parent said. If the highest rating is set such that vehicles that achieve it demonstrate a high level of safety, it would then be preferable if all vehicle makers strived for this rating. Assuming you want to drive a safe vehicle, it would then also be preferable if this rating was also the most common since that would indicate that most vehicle makers are building vehicles with a high level of safety.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoActually it is what was being said, unless there is some horrible misunderstanding that achieving the highest rating in tests like this indicates that automobiles require no further safety improvements.
- beepbooptheory 5y agowfme expressed my sentiment well. I don't really know, but if, as you are implying, these tests aren't an assurance of safety, than that point stands even more!
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
- ZoomerCretin 5y agohttps://danluu.com/car-safety/ https://danluu.com/car-safety/ This is a big improvement from 2012, before small overlaps became a KPI for safety.
- londons_explore 5y agoPerhaps regulators should take on a different approach... > Car manufacturers that sell more than 1 million vehicles shall pay $1M per driver, occupant or pedestrian death that occurs involving a car sold by that manufacturer. The payment shall be made irrespective of cause of death, state of maintenance of the car, or fault of any accident. This gives car manufacturers a direct, ongoing and financial incentive to make cars safer, not just to pass safety tests.
- londons_explore 5y agoAnd optionally, a car company can choose to increase that $1M number to $5M or $10M or even higher, and is then given a star rating for doing so that they can use on marketing material.
- rafale 5y agoYou don't have a moral case for that kind of rule though. The end doesn't justify the mean. If a drunk person drives his Chevy through a crowd and kill 10 people, why would GM pay 10 millions? Our country was built on personal responsibility and accountability as core values. This applies to businesses by extension (business = shareholders). It's better to simply mandate a certain minimum. Seat belts, backup cameras and ABS are examples.
- epgui 5y agoYou saying there is no moral case for it does not make it so. I think the idea that was proposed is at least academically interesting to consider. If you can’t see why, maybe you should dig into why your moral values are what they are: what tradeoffs are you making?
- londons_explore 5y agoIs it me, or do they appear to be cheating a little on this test...? The test is designed to test the case where a small overlap causes a traditional crumple zone (designed for full frontal collision) to completely crush and intrude into the passenger compartment. Tesla has solved that by causing the car to deform in such a way to bypass the obstacle. But I bet if they did a test with slightly more overlap, but not full frontal overlap, it would do really badly. Really, this is a case of engineering to pass some very specific tests, rather than engineering something that's good for use in the wider world. cough dieselgate cough.
- noahster11 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law
- bhauer 5y agoYou might be interested in their use of sensor data to inform future crash testing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KR2N_Q8ep8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KR2N_Q8ep8
- xenadu02 5y agoThe video is just of that one test but multiple Model Ys are crash-tested in different scenarios before the rating is assigned. I think you're talking about the moderate overlap test. > To qualify for either of the Institute’s two awards, vehicles must earn good ratings in six IIHS crashworthiness evaluations, including the driver-side small overlap front, passenger-side small overlap front, moderate overlap front, original side, roof strength and head restraint tests. They must also be available with a front crash prevention system that earns advanced or superior ratings in both the vehicle-to-vehicle and vehicle-to-pedestrian evaluations.
- ricardobeat 5y agoYou're probably imagining something like the ID4 test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhIfH3GhsNo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhIfH3GhsNo or how the Model 3 fared in 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be5MLDXUvHE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be5MLDXUvHE They seem to have improved this scenario while not lowering any of the other test scores, hard to consider it 'cheating'. The XC40 has a very similar result with the car skipping the barrier (and also earned the highest mark): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZQ6TJ0pZIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZQ6TJ0pZIg Volvo and Tesla are the only two automakers that have their own crash labs. They've release a video recently talking about their safety program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KR2N_Q8ep8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KR2N_Q8ep8
- xenihn 5y agoDoes anyone know how big of a deal it is to not have radar on newer Tesla 3s and Ys? I don't know which month was the last one to have radar, but it was some time in 2021.
- londons_explore 5y agoIt isn't something you'll find out from crash tests. It's easy to make vision based automatic braking work perfectly in highly controlled test conditions. Making it work properly on the road is a whole other matter.
- tempestn 5y agoI've got a vision-only model Y. I don't know how good the radar-based ones are, but I do know the vision-based adaptive cruise isn't great. Does a fairly poor job of maintaining a consistent distance to the car ahead, compared to other cars I've driven. I also had to turn the automatic emergency braking to its minimum sensitivity setting after it slammed on the brakes a couple times for no reason. So I don't know if the radar-based was better, but the vision-based isn't very good imo. (FWIW the vehicle's been great otherwise.)
- hansendc 5y agoThey turned my radar off when I got the FSD beta. It's hard to tell what is from losing radar versus getting FSD itself, but I think I liked the radar better. It seemed to perform better and have less phantom braking.
- throwaway894345 5y agoAgreed on the adaptive cruise. Glad to know there is a braking sensitivity. It gets very jumpy about oncoming traffic on curves and hits the brakes for no reason. The cars following me loved when it did that twice in ten minutes.
- shrell 5y agoFrom the article it looks to be April and has improved the model y rating from good / acceptable while model 3 earns a superior rating in both crash avoidance tests from advanced rating
- blhack 5y agoOwn a Y, and absolutely couldn’t explain how much I love this car. That said I am running into a complaint: somebody backed into me in a parking lot last week. The car is still mechanically fine, but with a damaged panel and bumper now. This is a bummer for me, since I’ve been meticulous about washing it, always parking at the end of the lot, etc. car detailing has actually become a hobby as a result of enjoying taking care of this car. The problem is that Tesla simply doesn’t have the parts to fix this right now. I made a service appointment, and they sent me a message the next day cancelling it due to a parts shortage. So I’m kindof at a loss now. My car has a dented/scratched panel, and I can’t even get it fixed. I’d be really frustrated if this was something preventing it from driving. That said, there’s a reason the for the parts shortage, long order wait times, etc. The model Y is basically a perfect vehicle. I can’t recommend it enough. (And this article is just a cherry on top. We bought this car originally because we knew it was really safe, and we just had a baby. So reading this is just affirming.)
- azinman2 5y agoWe test drove the Y and passed on it. We found the visibility out of the back poor, all the mirrors tiny, and the headrest also tiny and my head kept rolling off it. Do you not experience these problems?
- jondwillis 5y agocameras kind of make all of that less of a concern in my experience. dunno about the headrest
- hansendc 5y agoThe rear visibility felt weird when I test drove it for sure, coming from a normal sedan. But, over a year in to ownership, it never feels tiny when driving it. All the cameras and sensors make it a MILLION times better to maneuver in small spaces than my old car. It was more a matter of getting used to something different (and I'd argue objectively better) rather than an overall downside. As for the headrest, I've never thought about it once myself.
- chrisseaton 5y agoIIHS = Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a car safety body.
- throw6622 5y agoThe summary of this thread is that the only complaints anyone has is that it is too hard to get a Model Y or parts for a Model Y, both indicative of just how successful this car is.
- siquick 5y agoNo it’s not - it’s indicative that we’re in a global supply crisis where sourcing anything is more difficult.
- maxdo 5y agoThey will beat expectations of production. They adjust their lines super quick and almost not affected but shortages. Their limiting factors are Giga Berlin and Giga Texas that will be live in Jan-Feb. It's an additional million cars a year.
- taylodl 5y agoMy wife and a friend both have cars in the shop after getting hit. No problem with parts. Tesla is practically legendary at this point for having long waits on parts - and that was before the "global supply crises."
- anikan_vader 5y agoHere is the full list of winners: https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2021?tspPlusOnly#award-winners https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2021?tspPlusOn... Worth noting that many of Tesla’s serious competitors are winning this award on most of their models, e.g. Mercedes, Audi. And pretty much every model made by Volvo is a Top Safety+ winner.
- mleonhard 5y agoVolvo still beats Tesla in real-world safety [0]. There is not enough data on real Tesla Model Y crashes to compare. It's possible that the Model Y will be safer than Volvo vehicles in real use. IIHS data shows that Volvo and Subaru vehicles are the safest in their price categories. [0] https://www.iihs.org/ratings/insurance-losses-by-make-and-model https://www.iihs.org/ratings/insurance-losses-by-make-and-mo...
- benjamir 5y agoAnd how do firefighters open these arkward doors without a proper door handle? All cars without a sturdy door handle seem like a death trap to me. I would never buy a car that sacrifices that aspect for a little improvement in aerodynamics, or for aesthetic reasons.