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Quebec shuts down schools, bars, gyms and more

38 points by busymom0 5y ago

matbilodeau 5y ago
Please forgive me as most links are in French and google translate breaks some embedded media. TLDR watch these videos : https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-la-derniere-chance-ce-week-end https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-... National Health institute released a timeline : https://inspq.qc.ca/covid-19/donnees/ligne-du-temps https://inspq.qc.ca/covid-19/donnees/ligne-du-temps Following the summer vaccination campaign, cases were stable, vaccination was going well, higher risk locations and activities (gyms, bars, restaurants, etc.) had to up requirements of having a proof of vaccination, restrictions were slowly being lifted up to the point where bars and restaurants were allowed to run at full capacity provided patrons were seated, vaccinated and wearing a mask when walking around. On Nov 15th, they lifted even more restrictions. https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-11-15/les-assouplissements-entrent-en-vigueur.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-11-15/les-assouplissem... This removed the requirement for bars / restaurants to hold a visitor's registry, wearing a mask in public schools, and also allowed patrons to dance and sing karaoke. Nightclubs were allowed to reopen since now patrons didn't have to sit and could dance although wearing a mask at all times while inside the establishment and being vaccinated was still mandatory. I've seen snaps and stories showing quite the opposite about masks and I heard from a friend that he went to a place where they tried to verify his proof of vaccination with a powered off device... Cases were slowly ramping up but still manageable, corporate xmas parties were booked and private gatherings were announced to be allowed up to 20 people. On Dec 16th, government officials announced that cases were going back up and that they were monitoring the situation. Return to remote work if possible, restrict commercial capacity to 50%, limit dropped to 10 people for xmas private gatherings and that starting on monday dec. 20th, covid tests would be distributed for free in pharmacies. Also dance and karaoke would be forbidden in bars / restaurants. https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-16/explosion-des-cas-de-covid-19/quebec-ordonne-une-serie-de-nouvelles-restrictions.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-16/explosion-des-ca... https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/2021-12-16/vague-d-annulations-dans-les-restaurants/je-viens-de-voir-mon-chiffre-d-affaires-s-effondrer.php https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/2021-12-16/vague-d-annulati... Then this happened and made the news https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-la-derniere-chance-ce-week-end https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-... Which led to this https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-20/en-guerre-contre-le-virus/quebec-ordonne-de-nouvelles-fermetures.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-20/en-guerre-contre... And we are waiting for more announcements on wednesday as Quebec has hit 5k new cases per day and they forecast a possible rise to 10k per day As for the free tests, some pharmacies need you to book in advance and the system crashed yesterday after coming online and last I checked there was no availability in my area. I went to 2 pharmacies where you can walk-in and request it on a first come first served basis. They said they got about 100 each yesterday and today and they were gone within an hour of the store opening.
matbilodeau 5y ago
Prime minister is supposed supposed to announce another shutdown tonight, gatherings of 10 people, maybe brought down to 6, on the 24th 25th will be allowed but non essential businesses and restaurants will have to be closed from the 26th.
- matbilodeau 5y ago
  So the announcement is nothing changes until the 26th where private gatherings will be limited to 6 people or 2 households.
650 5y ago
It's been 2 years. With the amount of people getting the virus, there is little talk of long-covid these days... Athletes, politicians have all gotten it and none seem to be worried about `muh long covid`. Constant hygiene theatre eroding faith in institutions.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's not about hygiene theater. It's about the government mismanaging the health system and degrading capacity, while leaving the educational system without any actual hygiene measures (no masks, no distancing, no ventilation, etc...) The entire testing and contact tracing infrastructure has crumbled. You have to wait 3+ hours to get a test, and you have a good chance of being sent back home. Meanwhile, there is an 81% chance that one of the two people next to you in line are positive, and there is not enough space for you to distance themselve from them. Now even the most optimistic projections are that within two weeks there will be a shortage of ICU beds, so a lockdown is required.
  - Valgrim 5y ago
    They have to wait in line in freezing temperatures too. That might skew the numbers down a lot.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Lockdowns are never required. Those are a political choice.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      The choice is to have a lockdown or no working healthcare system. That is technically a political choice
  - sjg007 5y ago
    In the US the Feds and most local govt have left it up to the local communities which has been a disaster. Nobody wants to do the right thing.
  - 5y ago
totony 5y ago
I wish someone would do the analysis of the loss of quality of life/child development/etc. vs lives saved. Policies (especially in Quebec) seem to be cyclical react-to-what-you-see, with little thinking for the long run. What's the plan? Do we have one?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  The plan is to prevent the hospitals from bursting way over capacity, and letting it do what it wants otherwise, basically.
- jollybean 5y ago
  The public health agencies put out a lot of information, if you want a good example of one go look at Bonnie Henry (British Coloumbia) weekly addresses, she goes into great detail about measures taken etc.. They'll tell you exactly the genetic breakdown of the variants, which groups are getting what and why, whether it's schools, travellers, unvaccinated, homes, they'll tell you how many beds, how many 'overfill beds' how many surgeries postponed, how many staff, how many left due to no vaxx etc.. Just because you don't know what the plan is, doesn't mean there isn't one. Provincial and Federal entities are in constant contact with their peers in Europe, the US the WHO etc. there's a lot of information going around. Anyone who has been in such dynamic operational circumstances (i.e. the Army / Armed Forces) knows what facing chaos is, and generally speaking, as the saying goes 'No Plan Survives Contact' - it's more about managing information, preparedness/training than any kind of specific tactic. And FYI, the #1 tactic by far, thus far, has been vaccines. The data from all the provinces fairly clearly shows that the pandemic exists mostly among the unvaxxed, to the point that if we had near 100% vaxx, I'm not sure if R0 would be anywhere near 1, i.e. it could not spread. That said, Omicron is a game-changer in that regard.
  - refurb 5y ago
    ”Just because you don't know what the plan is, doesn't mean there isn't one.” This is exactly what I’d say if I didn’t have a plan. Wasn’t it BC that manipulated covid cases in the hospital setting and had to own up to the correct data? And no, the current vaccines aren’t getting us out of this. Look at Singapore with 95% of eligible population vaccinated - they had a raging wave last month where 80%+ of the cases were fully vaccinated. The vaccines keep them out of the hospital but don’t seem to do much for infection or transmission risk (see Lancet analysis).
bandana 5y ago
81% of eligible population fully vaccinated. Do we still blame the anti-vax up to 100% ? Then who do we blame ?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  The reason for lockdowns aren't cases, but rising hospitalizations. Those are still mostly non-vaccinated.
  - clove 5y ago
    A few questions for you after reading quite a few of your posts: 1. What is your native language? 2. How old are you? 3. Do you post on Reddit? Thanks in advance.
    - dang 5y ago
      Posting like this is a bannable offense on HN. You can't attack another user like this, no matter how strongly you disagree with them. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29739415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29739415 for a longer explanation.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      I don't post on reddit and I don't want to be doxxed.
      - clove 5y ago
        Knowing your name and native language is enough to dox you? BTW, it's "doxed," not "doxxed."
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Those who haven't taken nth dose.

38 points by busymom0 5y ago

Please forgive me as most links are in French and google translate breaks some embedded media. TLDR watch these videos : https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-la-derniere-chance-ce-week-end https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-... National Health institute released a timeline : https://inspq.qc.ca/covid-19/donnees/ligne-du-temps https://inspq.qc.ca/covid-19/donnees/ligne-du-temps Following the summer vaccination campaign, cases were stable, vaccination was going well, higher risk locations and activities (gyms, bars, restaurants, etc.) had to up requirements of having a proof of vaccination, restrictions were slowly being lifted up to the point where bars and restaurants were allowed to run at full capacity provided patrons were seated, vaccinated and wearing a mask when walking around. On Nov 15th, they lifted even more restrictions. https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-11-15/les-assouplissements-entrent-en-vigueur.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-11-15/les-assouplissem... This removed the requirement for bars / restaurants to hold a visitor's registry, wearing a mask in public schools, and also allowed patrons to dance and sing karaoke. Nightclubs were allowed to reopen since now patrons didn't have to sit and could dance although wearing a mask at all times while inside the establishment and being vaccinated was still mandatory. I've seen snaps and stories showing quite the opposite about masks and I heard from a friend that he went to a place where they tried to verify his proof of vaccination with a powered off device... Cases were slowly ramping up but still manageable, corporate xmas parties were booked and private gatherings were announced to be allowed up to 20 people. On Dec 16th, government officials announced that cases were going back up and that they were monitoring the situation. Return to remote work if possible, restrict commercial capacity to 50%, limit dropped to 10 people for xmas private gatherings and that starting on monday dec. 20th, covid tests would be distributed for free in pharmacies. Also dance and karaoke would be forbidden in bars / restaurants. https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-16/explosion-des-cas-de-covid-19/quebec-ordonne-une-serie-de-nouvelles-restrictions.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-16/explosion-des-ca... https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/2021-12-16/vague-d-annulations-dans-les-restaurants/je-viens-de-voir-mon-chiffre-d-affaires-s-effondrer.php https://www.lapresse.ca/affaires/2021-12-16/vague-d-annulati... Then this happened and made the news https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-la-derniere-chance-ce-week-end https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2021/12/19/gros-partys-de-... Which led to this https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-20/en-guerre-contre-le-virus/quebec-ordonne-de-nouvelles-fermetures.php https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/2021-12-20/en-guerre-contre... And we are waiting for more announcements on wednesday as Quebec has hit 5k new cases per day and they forecast a possible rise to 10k per day As for the free tests, some pharmacies need you to book in advance and the system crashed yesterday after coming online and last I checked there was no availability in my area. I went to 2 pharmacies where you can walk-in and request it on a first come first served basis. They said they got about 100 each yesterday and today and they were gone within an hour of the store opening.

matbilodeau 5y ago

Prime minister is supposed supposed to announce another shutdown tonight, gatherings of 10 people, maybe brought down to 6, on the 24th 25th will be allowed but non essential businesses and restaurants will have to be closed from the 26th.

matbilodeau 5y ago
So the announcement is nothing changes until the 26th where private gatherings will be limited to 6 people or 2 households.

650 5y ago

It's been 2 years. With the amount of people getting the virus, there is little talk of long-covid these days... Athletes, politicians have all gotten it and none seem to be worried about `muh long covid`. Constant hygiene theatre eroding faith in institutions.

sudosysgen 5y ago
It's not about hygiene theater. It's about the government mismanaging the health system and degrading capacity, while leaving the educational system without any actual hygiene measures (no masks, no distancing, no ventilation, etc...) The entire testing and contact tracing infrastructure has crumbled. You have to wait 3+ hours to get a test, and you have a good chance of being sent back home. Meanwhile, there is an 81% chance that one of the two people next to you in line are positive, and there is not enough space for you to distance themselve from them. Now even the most optimistic projections are that within two weeks there will be a shortage of ICU beds, so a lockdown is required.
- Valgrim 5y ago
  They have to wait in line in freezing temperatures too. That might skew the numbers down a lot.
- nradov 5y ago
  Lockdowns are never required. Those are a political choice.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    The choice is to have a lockdown or no working healthcare system. That is technically a political choice
- sjg007 5y ago
  In the US the Feds and most local govt have left it up to the local communities which has been a disaster. Nobody wants to do the right thing.
- 5y ago

totony 5y ago

I wish someone would do the analysis of the loss of quality of life/child development/etc. vs lives saved. Policies (especially in Quebec) seem to be cyclical react-to-what-you-see, with little thinking for the long run. What's the plan? Do we have one?

sudosysgen 5y ago
The plan is to prevent the hospitals from bursting way over capacity, and letting it do what it wants otherwise, basically.
jollybean 5y ago
The public health agencies put out a lot of information, if you want a good example of one go look at Bonnie Henry (British Coloumbia) weekly addresses, she goes into great detail about measures taken etc.. They'll tell you exactly the genetic breakdown of the variants, which groups are getting what and why, whether it's schools, travellers, unvaccinated, homes, they'll tell you how many beds, how many 'overfill beds' how many surgeries postponed, how many staff, how many left due to no vaxx etc.. Just because you don't know what the plan is, doesn't mean there isn't one. Provincial and Federal entities are in constant contact with their peers in Europe, the US the WHO etc. there's a lot of information going around. Anyone who has been in such dynamic operational circumstances (i.e. the Army / Armed Forces) knows what facing chaos is, and generally speaking, as the saying goes 'No Plan Survives Contact' - it's more about managing information, preparedness/training than any kind of specific tactic. And FYI, the #1 tactic by far, thus far, has been vaccines. The data from all the provinces fairly clearly shows that the pandemic exists mostly among the unvaxxed, to the point that if we had near 100% vaxx, I'm not sure if R0 would be anywhere near 1, i.e. it could not spread. That said, Omicron is a game-changer in that regard.
- refurb 5y ago
  ”Just because you don't know what the plan is, doesn't mean there isn't one.” This is exactly what I’d say if I didn’t have a plan. Wasn’t it BC that manipulated covid cases in the hospital setting and had to own up to the correct data? And no, the current vaccines aren’t getting us out of this. Look at Singapore with 95% of eligible population vaccinated - they had a raging wave last month where 80%+ of the cases were fully vaccinated. The vaccines keep them out of the hospital but don’t seem to do much for infection or transmission risk (see Lancet analysis).

bandana 5y ago

81% of eligible population fully vaccinated. Do we still blame the anti-vax up to 100% ? Then who do we blame ?

sudosysgen 5y ago
The reason for lockdowns aren't cases, but rising hospitalizations. Those are still mostly non-vaccinated.
- clove 5y ago
  A few questions for you after reading quite a few of your posts: 1. What is your native language? 2. How old are you? 3. Do you post on Reddit? Thanks in advance.
  - dang 5y ago
    Posting like this is a bannable offense on HN. You can't attack another user like this, no matter how strongly you disagree with them. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29739415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29739415 for a longer explanation.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    I don't post on reddit and I don't want to be doxxed.
    - clove 5y ago
      Knowing your name and native language is enough to dox you? BTW, it's "doxed," not "doxxed."
Ekaros 5y ago
Those who haven't taken nth dose.