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Doesn't matter. Repos can be cloned and easily moved to another git service. The attempt to take down yt-dl itself showed that. A misguided attempt at it shutti
by OptionX 5y ago
Doesn't matter.
Repos can be cloned and easily moved to another git service.
The attempt to take down yt-dl itself showed that.
A misguided attempt at it shutting spawned countless forks across multiple git hosting services that cannot possible all be taken down.
A techy Streisand-effect if you will.
- weisk 5y agoYeah, I remember that. That was a day to remember, a victory for the open source. The explosion in forks across many other git services, was so widespread and loud that github (apparently under pressure from google) had to pull back on their decision to shut it down.
- dylan604 5y agoHow did Googs put pressure on Microsoft to have Github change their mind? What concern was it of Goog's?
- olibhel 5y agoGoogle owns Youtube and youtube-dl doesn't serve google ads?
- dylan604 5y agowow, total brain fart. of course. makes mental note to not be so quick to post right before bed
- vbezhenar 5y agoyoutube-dl users probably are tiny drop among the adblock users who also do not see ads. And Google does not care about adblock.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoI assume google cares about people who block ads because a month or so ago, google figured out how to show ads even though I am using a content blocker on iOS and macOS.
- Macha 5y agoWill probably work on manifest v3 chrome then too
- vbezhenar 5y agoI don't think so. Disabling ads on youtube requires injecting JavaScript. It's not forbidden in manifest v3 (and it would be absurd to forbid it, as 99% extensions exist because of this). For reference: I don't see ads on youtube using hand-crafted JS which was inspired by uBlock origin, so I think that uBlock origin should work as well.
- Uehreka 5y agoNot really. The thing that makes youtube-dl useful is that it has one large dedicated community that can find ways to circumvent the changes youtube adds to prevent scraping. Basically, every few months or so youtube-dl becomes useless, and a huge distributed team has to kick in and find a way around it. When one of them does, they commit the change to one centralized place and it gets disbursed to everyone. Without one centralized place, propagation of patches would take a lot longer, and youtube-dl would spend a larger percentage of time not working for most people. This is something the anti-piracy folks would be quite OK with, as it would lead to attrition among users even if not total eradication.
- cerved 5y agogit is a decentralized vcs
- Barrin92 5y agothe actual motivation of hitting people with legalese and takedowns isn't to literally take the software down, it's to drive up the cost of development, and to get people who maintain it to quit, which is probably why we're in this thread given that software like youtube-dl basically needs to be permanently fixed to even work slowing down development is enough.
- chii 5y agoI think there should be new legislation to prevent such targeted nuisance takedowns, in a similar way to nuisance lawsuits.
- boomboomsubban 5y agoCurrent legislation doesn't permit that specific takedown anyway, the procedure to remove a copyright infringing tool requires a court order. I still don't understand why anyone paid attention to it at all. The best I could find on it was that the RIAA was arbitrarily claiming they had the right.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago> the actual motivation of hitting people with legalese and takedowns isn't to literally take the software down, it's to drive up the cost of development, and to get people who maintain it to quit, which is probably why we're in this thread This only does anything useful to them if the software and all of the forks stop being maintained, regardless of whether the people doing it now are the same people who were doing it before. Which is one of the reasons why it's important to replace them, to deter this kind of attack. But they have been. > given that software like youtube-dl basically needs to be permanently fixed to even work slowing down development is enough. Not really. The demand for having youtube-dl or equivalent work is orders of magnitude higher than the amount of effort required to make it work. Attacks like this also fortify development efforts because of the Streisand effect and the increased effort people are willing to put into something once it becomes a matter of pride to spite the attackers.
- themusicgod1 5y agoSorry if I can't tell if you're telling the truth because I haven't been able to use yt-dl since the last non-github repo broke months ago.