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You spend so long researching this and learning about the CIA and Allan Dulles and Fair Play for Cuba, you kind of forget that some people still actually believ

You spend so long researching this and learning about the CIA and Allan Dulles and Fair Play for Cuba, you kind of forget that some people still actually believe Lee Harvey Oswald was just some crazy guy acting alone. Edit: I don't mean to be too snarky, I encourage anyone to do their own research. Its just with things like this... there are always few dozen "smaller" conspiracies attached or related to it, that I truly believe a rational person would easily accept: that the CIA, for example, used certain people as actors to help rally Cuba antagonism, that JFK was himself considered a threat by the establishment at the time, that the CIA has deep connections to crime (for practical purposes). All these things, are believable and motivated by real things, and fit reality better than the official narrative. I think it's understandable though, when confronted with the "big" conspiracy, to hesitate, to be like "Well c'mon lets not be crazy." But really, I implore the diligent, tell me how this thing is NOT the sum of its parts.

shadowgovt 5y ago
Given that a lone gunman without military training successfully put a bullet in Reagan because he thought it'd get an actress to notice him, I don't know why people have a hard time believing that a lone trained Marine could take out an under-defended target.
- pwned1 5y ago
  And visit Dealey Plaza and look at the shot for yourself. It's so easy, especially with a scope. And then stand on the grassy knoll and realize that it would be the dumbest place to put an assassin.
  - phkahler 5y ago
    And then realize that his head was blown backwards. The exit wound was in the back. Photos of it were doctored. The umbrella guy. The magic bullet was intact. His wife tried to climb out the back of the car. A later look by Congress overturned the conclusion of the Warren commission that he acted alone. Most footage you find online now is not the actual footage, but a reenacted clip from a movie. But it's easier to blame one guy than deal with all the unanswered questions if you don't accept that idea. Reality is that we will never know.
    - pwned1 5y ago
      The front right of his head exploded, which pushed the head backwards. It's all on the zapruder film, very clearly. The front of his head explodes. There is actually a second video from across the plaza where you can see the exact same spray pattern as in the zapruder film. There's no "magic bullet," when you line Kennedy and Connally up correctly. The path is a straight line and the bullet never hit any bone until Connally's wrist, where it was significantly slowed down. And lead was discharged from the back of the casing and the bullet is deformed. The JFK assassination committee in the 70s absolutely did not overturn the conclusion of the warren commission. That tells me you didn't even read it. They concluded a conspiracy solely on an audio recording that was later shown to be from a different time period than the assassination. The committee otherwise pretty much confirmed the conclusions from the warren commission. Here's my conclusion after reviewing both sides very thoroughly: there is no evidence that anyone other than Oswald shot the president. Stabilized zapruder film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102YMXW3BxA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102YMXW3BxA Nix film of assassination (no rear exit wound): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMxiGj9bo0U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMxiGj9bo0U "Magic" bullet theory explanation (and correct alignment): http://dyingwords.net/the-magic-bullet-in-the-jfk-assassination/ http://dyingwords.net/the-magic-bullet-in-the-jfk-assassinat...
      - mikeyjk 5y ago
        As a young boy I was convinced this was a conspiracy. Until I saw the PBS documentary and a 90s website debunking the JFK movie (which I really enjoyed). Helped set me on my journey of learning and appreciating critical thinking skills.
      - phkahler 5y ago
        >> The front right of his head exploded, which pushed the head backwards. That is the oldest line of BS ever. There isn't a bomb in his head, so energy and momentum need to be conserved. A shot from the back will never result in the head being pushed backward. Part of his brain went out the back - exit wound, that's what Jackie was climbing over to get. It seems likely he was shot from both directions.
  - joejohnson 5y ago
    I’ve been to Dealey Plaza. The shot would have been far simpler to the left before the motorcade turned, and the car would have been going even slower then. The angle from the window toward JFK at point in the parade where was shot makes it much harder to triangulate the sounds of the bullets. But all of this discussion is rather silly because the government itself has accepted that more than two bullets entered the president and the governor and they could not have all come from the book depository window.
    - fatbird 5y ago
      Where does the gov't itself accept this? Here's video by CBS and Dan Rather showing their tests where they easily reproduced the shooting that Oswald did under nearly identical circumstances, repeatedly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs
      - daveevad 5y ago
        > Scientific Acoustical Evidence Establishes a High Probability That Two Gunmen Fired at President John F. Kennedy [0](https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/part-1b.html https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-repor...)
        shadowgovt 5y ago
        That analysis has since been discredited by an investigation empaneled by the National Academy of Sciences (http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10264.html http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10264.html). The key error in the HSCA investigation was timing; their analysis stemmed from a mistaken belief in both the timestamp of the recording and the position of the motorcycle doing the recording.
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- Natsu 5y ago
  You can still get a lot of conspiracies out of that one, too, especially among those who believe that Mark Felt (AKA Deep Throat)'s pardon was backdated. It's too bad I don't know how much data is still available, but network analysis of some past conspiracies (or claimed conspiracies) and released FBI, etc. docs could prove interesting.
jollybean 5y ago
This is a good point. Our classical line of conspiracy thinking may be "If the CIA was involved it means they killed him" But maybe we are growing in our understanding that the world is very complicated, and that any number of actors could have been indirectly involved, with any number of motives, and that the 'final straw' may have been something a bit more simple, but facilitate by the complex web of weirdness. It's very easy to believe that the CIA etc. wanted Castro's head and an invasion, and that they were upset JFK wasn't supportive, and that they took a lot of clandestine steps towards 'something'. It's even easier to believe that there were even rogue actors within the agency that either went to for for ideological purposes or maybe even by accident. ... and then the dominoes fell in an ugly way. It'd be nice if some day we got to the bottom of this.
- poulsbohemian 5y ago
  > It's very easy to believe that the CIA etc. wanted Castro's head and an invasion, and that they were upset JFK wasn't supportive, and that they took a lot of clandestine steps towards 'something'. This is the part I never understand about this approach though - The Bay of Pigs invasion happened on Kennedy’s watch, as did his push back on the Missile Crisis and the embargo so this narrative that he was soft on Cuba or something just isn’t the case.
  - jowday 5y ago
    IIRC the CIA and other parties were upset Kennedy didn’t commit further to the invasion. Kennedy’s refusal to provide direct air support after the CIA backed forces lost the initiative is usually cited as a major point of contention. More conspiratorial theorists like to speculate that the CIA hoped to lure the US into a full-scale invasion of Cuba by escalating the Bay of Pigs invasion. By refusing to provide direct air support, Kennedy essentially stopped that from happening and doomed the invasion and ruined Allen Dulles’ reputation. I have no clue how valid these theories are, but it’s what’s usually cited.
    - joejohnson 5y ago
      This isn’t some speculative scenario about how JFK felt toward Dulles; JFK fired Dulles after the Bay of Pigs! But the failed invasion of Cuba was not an isolated incident. JFK was undermined by an intelligence community he did not control many times, another famous one being the CIA-backed military coup against Charles de Gaul which also failed. But the French foreign minister to the US has record of a conversation with Kennedy where he says he is not fully in control of his country’s foreign policy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961
duxup 5y ago
A weird dude acting alone seems entirely plausible and not surprising historically.
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- rkk3 5y ago
  Yeah but this "weird dude" has the backstory of being a US Marine, who defected to the USSR and then defected back to the US... Why assume they stopped being a state actor.
  - philwelch 5y ago
    That sounds exactly like the life decisions a weird dude would make.
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    - tehjoker 5y ago
      There's some evidence that he gave U2 spy plane secrets to the USSR. They didn't trust him and put him to work in a toy factory. He later came back to the US with a Russian bride that was related to a KGB officer. Unlike everyone else who came back, he was not debriefed by the CIA. They just welcomed him back. Compare that with how they treat Chelsea Manning.
      - philwelch 5y ago
        So maybe he was a CIA asset on top of being a weird dude. Many such cases ;)
  - pwned1 5y ago
    Oswald shot himself in the arm to try to get out of the Marines too. You examine his life and he was a loser his entire adult life. He couldn't keep a job. He believed in Marxism and defected to the Soviet Union expecting to be some hero there. The KGB was rightly skeptical and put him in some horrible factory job. He was disillusioned. Came back to the US expecting to be a media sensation. No one cared. He then believed that Cuba got communism "right" and tried to go there, but the Cubans wouldn't let him in. About all he could handle was menial labor and got a job moving books around a warehouse, when opportunity to get the fame he always wanted presented itself...
mc32 5y ago
The above can be true without a conspiracy happening. I.e., the establishment saw JFKs Cuba missile crisis actions in addition to his plan to withdraw from foreign military actions as extreme policy disagreements without having them actually want to rub him out. So both things can be true. They hated him and did everything in their power to undermine him AND some crazy thought he was such a threat he shot him… without the establishment having been involved in the action in any way. Of course it’s also possible but less likely the establishment thought he was such a danger they HAD to take him out… but there raises the question, with Trump, whom they hated just as much, did they adjust their MO?
- VRay 5y ago
  > Trump, whom they hated just as much Does anyone in power actually hate Trump? So far as I could tell, all he did for most of his tenure was slash taxes and carefully shepherd the market upward while playing a lot of golf
  - subpixel 5y ago
    He also put immigrant children in cages and molded the Supreme Court to criminalize abortion and made the prospect of a Putin-style 'President for life' an actual possibility in the near future. But as much as those things make some people hate him, they give many other people, including some very powerful people, reason to like him.
    - mc32 5y ago
      He put them in the same accommodations as Obama and Biden currently uses.
    - keyboardCowBoy 5y ago
      Regardless of what Brandon says, you can still come to this country illegally. Cages...Cages...You mean the ones the Obama administration built?
      - 5y ago
jl6 5y ago
I’m someone who has not spent much time looking into this. Can you tell me, based on your research, on balance of probabilities, who did it and why?
vanusa 5y ago
Downvoting for your arrogant tone ("some people still actually believe ...") in regard to a topic that is genuinely murky and has a lot of conflicting indications (and about which there's still a lot of misinformation kicking around). Even though -- after having done my own share of diligent research on this topic -- I eventually came to the (disappointing) conclusion on the question of whether or not there was a deep state conspiracy behind the events of that day -- I don't fault anyone for what they believe on the topic (pro or con). It's just what they believe, given the murky historical record and the fog of public belief and opinion about the matter. That doesn't mean (as you imply) that they're idiots or tools.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  You are right, I was being a little snarkey. I apologize and I agree its a murkey thing, but I dont think generally people approach it with with the same kind of critical patience you have, and its not like tin foil hat types are the hegemonic voice on these matters.
  - lubesGordi 5y ago
    Genuinely curious what you and GP consider diligent research?
    - vanusa 5y ago
      Going to the library, reading books, that sort of thing. Oh and thinking about what you read and asking yourself it can actually be true.
cafard 5y ago
The son of a bank president, a one-time McCarthyite, an eager-enough Cold Warrior. He green-lighted the Bay of Pigs, he green-lighted the overthrow of Diem in South Vietnam. Where was his threat to the establishment?
akomtu 5y ago
I heard JFK was seriously considering to disband CIA, and the organization had to defend itself.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Even the most senior politicians have admitted it is unwise to cross the intelligence agencies, and they have six ways from Sunday to extract revenge on their political enemies.
y4mi 5y ago
> Edit: I don't mean to be too snarky, I encourage anyone to do their own research And yet you encourage people to dive into misinformation in order to somehow magically figure out what of the provided information are outright lies or just misinformed ideas. If you equate "Doing your research" to reading articles, opinions or even quoted declassified files then you're another victim of our current misinformation crisis. And I honestly doubt that anyone but the most dedicated historians still actually study this assassination while crosschecking everything, reading everything indepth to make an attempt too actually figure out the context it had back then etc. It is a lot of work to actually gain knowledge on something, however we've somehow started to consider reading documents which have at best entertainment value as doing research...
D-Coder 5y ago
There were so many people involved, they should have just waited a year for the election and voted him out.
morpheos137 5y ago
LHO was just a deluded gunman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM98e17SaBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM98e17SaBI https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4724389/user-clip-deluded-gunman https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4724389/user-clip-deluded-gun... But sometimes I wonder, is the world really this small? https://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/01/us/a-life-that-started-out-with-much-promise-took-reclusive-and-hostile-path.html https://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/01/us/a-life-that-started-ou... https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-now/russian-born-oilman-a-real-international-man-of-mystery-a-vivid-presence-in-jfk-files/465-584a38ec-9dbc-408d-99f6-ec5f42c54425 https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-now/russian-born-o...

shadowgovt 5y ago

Given that a lone gunman without military training successfully put a bullet in Reagan because he thought it'd get an actress to notice him, I don't know why people have a hard time believing that a lone trained Marine could take out an under-defended target.

pwned1 5y ago
And visit Dealey Plaza and look at the shot for yourself. It's so easy, especially with a scope. And then stand on the grassy knoll and realize that it would be the dumbest place to put an assassin.
- phkahler 5y ago
  And then realize that his head was blown backwards. The exit wound was in the back. Photos of it were doctored. The umbrella guy. The magic bullet was intact. His wife tried to climb out the back of the car. A later look by Congress overturned the conclusion of the Warren commission that he acted alone. Most footage you find online now is not the actual footage, but a reenacted clip from a movie. But it's easier to blame one guy than deal with all the unanswered questions if you don't accept that idea. Reality is that we will never know.
  - pwned1 5y ago
    The front right of his head exploded, which pushed the head backwards. It's all on the zapruder film, very clearly. The front of his head explodes. There is actually a second video from across the plaza where you can see the exact same spray pattern as in the zapruder film. There's no "magic bullet," when you line Kennedy and Connally up correctly. The path is a straight line and the bullet never hit any bone until Connally's wrist, where it was significantly slowed down. And lead was discharged from the back of the casing and the bullet is deformed. The JFK assassination committee in the 70s absolutely did not overturn the conclusion of the warren commission. That tells me you didn't even read it. They concluded a conspiracy solely on an audio recording that was later shown to be from a different time period than the assassination. The committee otherwise pretty much confirmed the conclusions from the warren commission. Here's my conclusion after reviewing both sides very thoroughly: there is no evidence that anyone other than Oswald shot the president. Stabilized zapruder film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102YMXW3BxA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=102YMXW3BxA Nix film of assassination (no rear exit wound): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMxiGj9bo0U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMxiGj9bo0U "Magic" bullet theory explanation (and correct alignment): http://dyingwords.net/the-magic-bullet-in-the-jfk-assassination/ http://dyingwords.net/the-magic-bullet-in-the-jfk-assassinat...
    - mikeyjk 5y ago
      As a young boy I was convinced this was a conspiracy. Until I saw the PBS documentary and a 90s website debunking the JFK movie (which I really enjoyed). Helped set me on my journey of learning and appreciating critical thinking skills.
    - phkahler 5y ago
      >> The front right of his head exploded, which pushed the head backwards. That is the oldest line of BS ever. There isn't a bomb in his head, so energy and momentum need to be conserved. A shot from the back will never result in the head being pushed backward. Part of his brain went out the back - exit wound, that's what Jackie was climbing over to get. It seems likely he was shot from both directions.
- joejohnson 5y ago
  I’ve been to Dealey Plaza. The shot would have been far simpler to the left before the motorcade turned, and the car would have been going even slower then. The angle from the window toward JFK at point in the parade where was shot makes it much harder to triangulate the sounds of the bullets. But all of this discussion is rather silly because the government itself has accepted that more than two bullets entered the president and the governor and they could not have all come from the book depository window.
  - fatbird 5y ago
    Where does the gov't itself accept this? Here's video by CBS and Dan Rather showing their tests where they easily reproduced the shooting that Oswald did under nearly identical circumstances, repeatedly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmY6HmR4fs
    - daveevad 5y ago
      > Scientific Acoustical Evidence Establishes a High Probability That Two Gunmen Fired at President John F. Kennedy [0](https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/part-1b.html https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-repor...)
      - shadowgovt 5y ago
        That analysis has since been discredited by an investigation empaneled by the National Academy of Sciences (http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10264.html http://www.nap.edu/catalog/10264.html). The key error in the HSCA investigation was timing; their analysis stemmed from a mistaken belief in both the timestamp of the recording and the position of the motorcycle doing the recording.
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Natsu 5y ago
You can still get a lot of conspiracies out of that one, too, especially among those who believe that Mark Felt (AKA Deep Throat)'s pardon was backdated. It's too bad I don't know how much data is still available, but network analysis of some past conspiracies (or claimed conspiracies) and released FBI, etc. docs could prove interesting.

jollybean 5y ago

This is a good point. Our classical line of conspiracy thinking may be "If the CIA was involved it means they killed him" But maybe we are growing in our understanding that the world is very complicated, and that any number of actors could have been indirectly involved, with any number of motives, and that the 'final straw' may have been something a bit more simple, but facilitate by the complex web of weirdness. It's very easy to believe that the CIA etc. wanted Castro's head and an invasion, and that they were upset JFK wasn't supportive, and that they took a lot of clandestine steps towards 'something'. It's even easier to believe that there were even rogue actors within the agency that either went to for for ideological purposes or maybe even by accident. ... and then the dominoes fell in an ugly way. It'd be nice if some day we got to the bottom of this.

poulsbohemian 5y ago
> It's very easy to believe that the CIA etc. wanted Castro's head and an invasion, and that they were upset JFK wasn't supportive, and that they took a lot of clandestine steps towards 'something'. This is the part I never understand about this approach though - The Bay of Pigs invasion happened on Kennedy’s watch, as did his push back on the Missile Crisis and the embargo so this narrative that he was soft on Cuba or something just isn’t the case.
- jowday 5y ago
  IIRC the CIA and other parties were upset Kennedy didn’t commit further to the invasion. Kennedy’s refusal to provide direct air support after the CIA backed forces lost the initiative is usually cited as a major point of contention. More conspiratorial theorists like to speculate that the CIA hoped to lure the US into a full-scale invasion of Cuba by escalating the Bay of Pigs invasion. By refusing to provide direct air support, Kennedy essentially stopped that from happening and doomed the invasion and ruined Allen Dulles’ reputation. I have no clue how valid these theories are, but it’s what’s usually cited.
  - joejohnson 5y ago
    This isn’t some speculative scenario about how JFK felt toward Dulles; JFK fired Dulles after the Bay of Pigs! But the failed invasion of Cuba was not an isolated incident. JFK was undermined by an intelligence community he did not control many times, another famous one being the CIA-backed military coup against Charles de Gaul which also failed. But the French foreign minister to the US has record of a conversation with Kennedy where he says he is not fully in control of his country’s foreign policy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961

duxup 5y ago

A weird dude acting alone seems entirely plausible and not surprising historically.

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rkk3 5y ago
Yeah but this "weird dude" has the backstory of being a US Marine, who defected to the USSR and then defected back to the US... Why assume they stopped being a state actor.
- philwelch 5y ago
  That sounds exactly like the life decisions a weird dude would make.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - tehjoker 5y ago
    There's some evidence that he gave U2 spy plane secrets to the USSR. They didn't trust him and put him to work in a toy factory. He later came back to the US with a Russian bride that was related to a KGB officer. Unlike everyone else who came back, he was not debriefed by the CIA. They just welcomed him back. Compare that with how they treat Chelsea Manning.
    - philwelch 5y ago
      So maybe he was a CIA asset on top of being a weird dude. Many such cases ;)
- pwned1 5y ago
  Oswald shot himself in the arm to try to get out of the Marines too. You examine his life and he was a loser his entire adult life. He couldn't keep a job. He believed in Marxism and defected to the Soviet Union expecting to be some hero there. The KGB was rightly skeptical and put him in some horrible factory job. He was disillusioned. Came back to the US expecting to be a media sensation. No one cared. He then believed that Cuba got communism "right" and tried to go there, but the Cubans wouldn't let him in. About all he could handle was menial labor and got a job moving books around a warehouse, when opportunity to get the fame he always wanted presented itself...

mc32 5y ago

The above can be true without a conspiracy happening. I.e., the establishment saw JFKs Cuba missile crisis actions in addition to his plan to withdraw from foreign military actions as extreme policy disagreements without having them actually want to rub him out. So both things can be true. They hated him and did everything in their power to undermine him AND some crazy thought he was such a threat he shot him… without the establishment having been involved in the action in any way. Of course it’s also possible but less likely the establishment thought he was such a danger they HAD to take him out… but there raises the question, with Trump, whom they hated just as much, did they adjust their MO?

VRay 5y ago
> Trump, whom they hated just as much Does anyone in power actually hate Trump? So far as I could tell, all he did for most of his tenure was slash taxes and carefully shepherd the market upward while playing a lot of golf
- subpixel 5y ago
  He also put immigrant children in cages and molded the Supreme Court to criminalize abortion and made the prospect of a Putin-style 'President for life' an actual possibility in the near future. But as much as those things make some people hate him, they give many other people, including some very powerful people, reason to like him.
  - mc32 5y ago
    He put them in the same accommodations as Obama and Biden currently uses.
  - keyboardCowBoy 5y ago
    Regardless of what Brandon says, you can still come to this country illegally. Cages...Cages...You mean the ones the Obama administration built?
    - 5y ago

jl6 5y ago

I’m someone who has not spent much time looking into this. Can you tell me, based on your research, on balance of probabilities, who did it and why?

vanusa 5y ago

Downvoting for your arrogant tone ("some people still actually believe ...") in regard to a topic that is genuinely murky and has a lot of conflicting indications (and about which there's still a lot of misinformation kicking around). Even though -- after having done my own share of diligent research on this topic -- I eventually came to the (disappointing) conclusion on the question of whether or not there was a deep state conspiracy behind the events of that day -- I don't fault anyone for what they believe on the topic (pro or con). It's just what they believe, given the murky historical record and the fog of public belief and opinion about the matter. That doesn't mean (as you imply) that they're idiots or tools.

beepbooptheory 5y ago
You are right, I was being a little snarkey. I apologize and I agree its a murkey thing, but I dont think generally people approach it with with the same kind of critical patience you have, and its not like tin foil hat types are the hegemonic voice on these matters.
- lubesGordi 5y ago
  Genuinely curious what you and GP consider diligent research?
  - vanusa 5y ago
    Going to the library, reading books, that sort of thing. Oh and thinking about what you read and asking yourself it can actually be true.

cafard 5y ago

The son of a bank president, a one-time McCarthyite, an eager-enough Cold Warrior. He green-lighted the Bay of Pigs, he green-lighted the overthrow of Diem in South Vietnam. Where was his threat to the establishment?

akomtu 5y ago

I heard JFK was seriously considering to disband CIA, and the organization had to defend itself.

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Even the most senior politicians have admitted it is unwise to cross the intelligence agencies, and they have six ways from Sunday to extract revenge on their political enemies.

y4mi 5y ago

> Edit: I don't mean to be too snarky, I encourage anyone to do their own research And yet you encourage people to dive into misinformation in order to somehow magically figure out what of the provided information are outright lies or just misinformed ideas. If you equate "Doing your research" to reading articles, opinions or even quoted declassified files then you're another victim of our current misinformation crisis. And I honestly doubt that anyone but the most dedicated historians still actually study this assassination while crosschecking everything, reading everything indepth to make an attempt too actually figure out the context it had back then etc. It is a lot of work to actually gain knowledge on something, however we've somehow started to consider reading documents which have at best entertainment value as doing research...

D-Coder 5y ago

There were so many people involved, they should have just waited a year for the election and voted him out.

morpheos137 5y ago

LHO was just a deluded gunman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM98e17SaBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM98e17SaBI https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4724389/user-clip-deluded-gunman https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4724389/user-clip-deluded-gun... But sometimes I wonder, is the world really this small? https://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/01/us/a-life-that-started-out-with-much-promise-took-reclusive-and-hostile-path.html https://www.nytimes.com/1981/04/01/us/a-life-that-started-ou... https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-now/russian-born-oilman-a-real-international-man-of-mystery-a-vivid-presence-in-jfk-files/465-584a38ec-9dbc-408d-99f6-ec5f42c54425 https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-now/russian-born-o...