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As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (ot
by gadnuk 5y ago
As they should, from all agencies involved. It is absolutely horrifying to see Tesla do this open beta test on public roads when no other non-Tesla entities (other cars, pedestrians, motorcyclists, bicyclists, etc) consented to being a part of a reckless experiment.
Moreover, Tesla influencers on social media tend to cherry pick and show only the nicer parts of their FSD Beta drives where no incidents and disengagements occur. Whereas you will often see in the comments some Beta users disagreeing and often showing the scary bits. And of course the pattern of Tesla influencers acting like an echo chamber absolutely disagreeing with anything critical of Tesla, jumping to Musk's defense at every turn because..."My mission!". An example:
https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1469404579439824899 https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/146940457943982...
A thread of the scariness of this Beta test on public roads:
https://twitter.com/Tweet_Removed/status/1438553523369615364?s=20 https://twitter.com/Tweet_Removed/status/1438553523369615364...
Elon Musk has a history of overestimating Tesla's capabilities when it comes to autonomy. And also flouting regulations to reach the end goal. He wants to make people believe in the illusion that Tesla are in some unsurmountable lead when it comes to autonomy but they are actually playing catchup and are dead last because of the approach they took.
Here's a timeline of Musk dangling the carrot of full autonomy (SAE Level 5) for over 6 years now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/n6nsmt/elons_tweet_does_not_match_engineering_reality/gx8kure/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/n6nsmt/elo...
But people argue, "Oh, but they are getting better and eventually will iron out all the edge cases!". This is not a matter of just making some settings change and things magically fix themselves. These are safety critical systems and not considering edge cases while advertising the feature as "Full Self-Driving" can lead to fatalities. The edge cases don't seem to be finite and no amount of "Dojo will solve this!", "The system is learning more and more and will reach there!" will solve the problem with their approach. At some point, he will have to eat humble pie and incorporate more sensors to increase safety. But with the ongoing chip shortage and the fact that they have to sell as many cars as possible lest the stock promotion crumbles makes it an even harder task.
It's always some next version that will blow your mind. It's always the next version that's almost there.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1435967157662150675?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1435967157662150675?s=20
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1469541536128020485?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1469541536128020485?s=20
- laurent92 5y agoThank you for providing the video, the situation is appalling.
- sva_ 5y ago> https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/1469404579439824899 https://mobile.twitter.com/taylorogan/status/146940457943982... Damn, the part where he tried to take over and the car wouldn't let him for a while, was downright scary Reminds me of a famous quote... > "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that." I fell like there should be a hardware way of taking over that overwrites anything the software does.
- mcot2 5y agoThere is. Tapping the brake pedal.
- landa 5y agoExactly. If you press the brakes the system gives complete control back to the driver. It's interesting to see all of the comments about the "horrifying" experiments Tesla is doing, and quoting science fiction movies about how robots are going to murder you. So much sensationalism.
- mcot2 5y agoThe FUD is unreal.
- TigeriusKirk 5y agoI believe Tesla testing FSD on open roads is probably going to cost lives. I think they're aware of the game they're playing and they're taking more risks than is responsible. I also believe the driver in that video doesn't have the level-headedness to be testing anything anywhere. Which is a criticism both of the driver and of Tesla for letting people like that run the software on the open road.
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