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How does this law benefit or protect the people of Texas?

gostsamo 5y ago
It makes sure that the doomsday evangelist propaganda of the local government won't be challenged. If you are a christian fundamentalist who wants to protect Jerusalem from the Antichrist or you think that islamic fundamentalists will prevent you from visiting the city, you wont allow the godless lefties any chance of endangering the secret land. At least, this is what I've found as justification.
- joelbluminator 5y ago
  And trying to destroy Israel (cos it's just like South Africa!1) is completely rational? Plenty of lunatics on both sides of the fence here. I don't like the woke religion more than the evangelical religion.
  - gostsamo 5y ago
    Oh, the question is how this law benefits the citizens of Texas. Not sure how the walk religion is involved unless you think that defending the citizens of Texas from the walk tendencies they might exhibit is for their own good... for the record though, I don't care much about neither the US's culture wars nor for the attempts of Israel to travel two thousand years in the past. Both look like extremely dumb ideas but taking sides means only increasing the idiocy at hand.
  - ornel 5y ago
    How did the boycott against the South African state "destroy" South Africa? It just made it a democratic country, something Israel is not
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      Israel is a Jewish state - it was determined long ago the Jews should get a nation state along side a Palestinian nation state. Considering Jews' unique history of persecution it would be pretty crazy to argue they are not a people, so they are not like white South Africans. Creating "one democratic state" will rob both the Jews and the Palestinians of their right for self determination. It will also in all likelihood create chaos, because I just don't see how you can take two ethnic communities of about the same size, that hate each other for a century, and make them live in one democratic country. It would be about as realistic as turning Russia and Germany into one big democratic country. I actually think that Russia and Germany stand a much better chance.
      - Hizonner 5y ago
        > Israel is a Jewish state - it was determined long ago the Jews should get a nation state along side a Palestinian nation state. It was also determined long ago that all ethnostates are stupid and dangerous and should not exist. Fpr that matter, it was determined long ago that I should be king of the world. It's just a question of whose determinations you happen to decide to accept... > Considering Jews' unique history of persecution it would be pretty crazy to argue they are not a people, so they are not like white South Africans. Wait, Jews are "a people" and Boers aren't? How did that happen? The Boers are "a people" by any reasonably principled definition, and nonetheless South African apartheid was unacceptable. Representing "a people" does not give you a license to treat other people like shit. ... and you say "a people" like that's a good thing. In fact, the concept of "peoples" (nations, whatever you want to call them) is dangerous and destructive, and the (unfortunately natural and built in) human tendency to form attachments to arbitrary abstract groups is one of the top contenders for what's going to destroy the whole goddamned species. > Creating "one democratic state" will rob both the Jews and the Palestinians of their right for self determination. Only individual human beings have rights, not "peoples". Especially self determination. The idea of group "self determination" is self-evidently moronic. To have self determination, you have to have a reasonably unified will and probably a reasonably unified mind. "Peoples" have neither. > It will also in all likelihood create chaos, Probably true. There is no good answer at this point. Things were already bad, and the foolish decision to create Israel really locked in the doom.
        joelbluminator 5y ago
        > It was also determined long ago that all ethnostates are stupid and dangerous and should not exist. It would have spared millions of innocent deaths if Jews had a country during WW2. So maybe it's not always that stupid. And in fact, taking a whiff at the current state of things for Jews in the diaspora, I still think Jews should have a place of their own. I am not forecasting another holocaust, hell no, but it sure becomes harder to be openly Jewish in the West.
        Hizonner 5y ago
  - sndman 5y ago
    Bit of an overreaction, no? How would a boycott destroy one of the most powerful military forces on earth? BDS isn't trying to destroy Israel. It's only attempting to bring attention to the government's inhuman treatment of Palestinians. Human Rights watch calls the situation in the OT "apartheid" (note the little ' A'). https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... B'Tselem Israeli Human RIghts group: https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid Not all criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitism.
    - joelbluminator 5y ago
      BDS wants to dismantle/discontinue or whatever word you see fit Israel in it's current form by advocating for "the right of return". That means bringing in around 5-6 million refugees (overwhelmingly 2nd and 3rd generation descendants of the original refugees, since it was 73 years ago not many of the original people are alive) to create a Palestinian majority country. By any meaningful sense it won't be Israel anymore just as the U.S won't be the U.S if 300 million Chinese people move there. So I feel like destroy is a harsh but sensible word to use.
      - sndman 5y ago
        ''The cultivated land is probably 1 million dunam. According to international law, we cannot sell anything, so maybe we should buy from those Arabs who do not want to come back.... All we need is 400 tractors, each tractor can cultivate 3000 dunam - cultivating not just for the purpose of procuring food but in order to prevent anyone from returning to their lands. Land of lesser quality should be sold to private or public sectors....At least, let us say that this confiscation is an exchange for the property the Jews from the Arab world lost when they immigrated to Palestine." --Bechor Shitrit, head of the settlement department of the Jewish National Fund, Ben-Gurion's Diary, 18 August 1948.
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      It isn't a productive political dissent though as many Palestinian products go through Israel to the international market. Still, it should be allowed.
FridayoLeary 5y ago
Maybe So that companies can't be forced by fringe groups to boycott, under pain of being boycotted themselves. If that is a very likely scenario, maybe this law serves the public interest. (obviously one has to take the leap of faith that Israel isn't pure evil in order to consider such an argument)
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  Why would it be specifically regarding boycotts of Israel? How does doing business with a company that boycotts Israel force others to boycott Israel?

It makes sure that the doomsday evangelist propaganda of the local government won't be challenged. If you are a christian fundamentalist who wants to protect Jerusalem from the Antichrist or you think that islamic fundamentalists will prevent you from visiting the city, you wont allow the godless lefties any chance of endangering the secret land. At least, this is what I've found as justification.

joelbluminator 5y ago
And trying to destroy Israel (cos it's just like South Africa!1) is completely rational? Plenty of lunatics on both sides of the fence here. I don't like the woke religion more than the evangelical religion.
- gostsamo 5y ago
  Oh, the question is how this law benefits the citizens of Texas. Not sure how the walk religion is involved unless you think that defending the citizens of Texas from the walk tendencies they might exhibit is for their own good... for the record though, I don't care much about neither the US's culture wars nor for the attempts of Israel to travel two thousand years in the past. Both look like extremely dumb ideas but taking sides means only increasing the idiocy at hand.
- ornel 5y ago
  How did the boycott against the South African state "destroy" South Africa? It just made it a democratic country, something Israel is not
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    Israel is a Jewish state - it was determined long ago the Jews should get a nation state along side a Palestinian nation state. Considering Jews' unique history of persecution it would be pretty crazy to argue they are not a people, so they are not like white South Africans. Creating "one democratic state" will rob both the Jews and the Palestinians of their right for self determination. It will also in all likelihood create chaos, because I just don't see how you can take two ethnic communities of about the same size, that hate each other for a century, and make them live in one democratic country. It would be about as realistic as turning Russia and Germany into one big democratic country. I actually think that Russia and Germany stand a much better chance.
    - Hizonner 5y ago
      > Israel is a Jewish state - it was determined long ago the Jews should get a nation state along side a Palestinian nation state. It was also determined long ago that all ethnostates are stupid and dangerous and should not exist. Fpr that matter, it was determined long ago that I should be king of the world. It's just a question of whose determinations you happen to decide to accept... > Considering Jews' unique history of persecution it would be pretty crazy to argue they are not a people, so they are not like white South Africans. Wait, Jews are "a people" and Boers aren't? How did that happen? The Boers are "a people" by any reasonably principled definition, and nonetheless South African apartheid was unacceptable. Representing "a people" does not give you a license to treat other people like shit. ... and you say "a people" like that's a good thing. In fact, the concept of "peoples" (nations, whatever you want to call them) is dangerous and destructive, and the (unfortunately natural and built in) human tendency to form attachments to arbitrary abstract groups is one of the top contenders for what's going to destroy the whole goddamned species. > Creating "one democratic state" will rob both the Jews and the Palestinians of their right for self determination. Only individual human beings have rights, not "peoples". Especially self determination. The idea of group "self determination" is self-evidently moronic. To have self determination, you have to have a reasonably unified will and probably a reasonably unified mind. "Peoples" have neither. > It will also in all likelihood create chaos, Probably true. There is no good answer at this point. Things were already bad, and the foolish decision to create Israel really locked in the doom.
      - joelbluminator 5y ago
        > It was also determined long ago that all ethnostates are stupid and dangerous and should not exist. It would have spared millions of innocent deaths if Jews had a country during WW2. So maybe it's not always that stupid. And in fact, taking a whiff at the current state of things for Jews in the diaspora, I still think Jews should have a place of their own. I am not forecasting another holocaust, hell no, but it sure becomes harder to be openly Jewish in the West.
        Hizonner 5y ago
- sndman 5y ago
  Bit of an overreaction, no? How would a boycott destroy one of the most powerful military forces on earth? BDS isn't trying to destroy Israel. It's only attempting to bring attention to the government's inhuman treatment of Palestinians. Human Rights watch calls the situation in the OT "apartheid" (note the little ' A'). https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... B'Tselem Israeli Human RIghts group: https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid Not all criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitism.
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    BDS wants to dismantle/discontinue or whatever word you see fit Israel in it's current form by advocating for "the right of return". That means bringing in around 5-6 million refugees (overwhelmingly 2nd and 3rd generation descendants of the original refugees, since it was 73 years ago not many of the original people are alive) to create a Palestinian majority country. By any meaningful sense it won't be Israel anymore just as the U.S won't be the U.S if 300 million Chinese people move there. So I feel like destroy is a harsh but sensible word to use.
    - sndman 5y ago
      ''The cultivated land is probably 1 million dunam. According to international law, we cannot sell anything, so maybe we should buy from those Arabs who do not want to come back.... All we need is 400 tractors, each tractor can cultivate 3000 dunam - cultivating not just for the purpose of procuring food but in order to prevent anyone from returning to their lands. Land of lesser quality should be sold to private or public sectors....At least, let us say that this confiscation is an exchange for the property the Jews from the Arab world lost when they immigrated to Palestine." --Bechor Shitrit, head of the settlement department of the Jewish National Fund, Ben-Gurion's Diary, 18 August 1948.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    It isn't a productive political dissent though as many Palestinian products go through Israel to the international market. Still, it should be allowed.

FridayoLeary 5y ago

Maybe So that companies can't be forced by fringe groups to boycott, under pain of being boycotted themselves. If that is a very likely scenario, maybe this law serves the public interest. (obviously one has to take the leap of faith that Israel isn't pure evil in order to consider such an argument)

ComputerGuru 5y ago
Why would it be specifically regarding boycotts of Israel? How does doing business with a company that boycotts Israel force others to boycott Israel?