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I found parent interesting and relevant. But mostly importantly, kentonv's last paragraph. At the end of the day, benchmarking for your use case is the only t

by ethbr0 5y ago

I found parent interesting and relevant. But mostly importantly, kentonv's last paragraph. At the end of the day, benchmarking for your use case is the only true north. Everything else, on all sides, is marketing fluff.

refulgentis 5y ago
Please edit the username involved out of your post. Thank you for considering!! It's helpful to the community to leave people feeling comfortable contributing, and removing contributions is a core part of that. You only have a short amount of time, edits are disabled after...I'm not sure, perhaps an hour. If you regret removing it, you can always come back and reply again. :)
- judge2020 5y ago
  Well, deletion is also prohibited as soon as anyone replies to the comment, so his username is set in stone even if he has the chance to edit it for a few hours.
- dekhn 5y ago
  what are you even talking about. you mean the reference to kentonv? as stated, kenton is the tech lead for a major cloud project (as well as a respected open source developer). It's pretty clear from watching what he says that he is generally makes wise statements, while also providing some useful color (for which I am eternally grateful).
  - refulgentis 5y ago
    I did not, and do not, reference the username involved in any of my posts, until now. The first 3 replies to Kenton, including mine, don't recognize Kenton immediately or on a first name basis just from their account name. So, we all reacted the way people react to the generic situation at hand: be careful, you're attaching your name and position to something that further commits your employer to a narrative you're trying to dispel. I appreciate you providing this info, between that and Kenton's replies about themself (ex. about protos and cap'n proto) its clears that he has extensive experience in industry and at big companies, and certainly knows the tradeoff they're making. That's awesome, and different enough from the median situation to obviate early advice re: commenting on your employer.
    - kentonv 5y ago
      Yes, thanks for your concern but I do know what I'm doing. Most days I wouldn't post a comment like the one above. This was a bit of a "fuck it, just this once" moment and I'm not proud of it, but I stand behind what I said and don't feel the need to delete it.
      - shock-value 5y ago
        It's pretty unprofessional.
        kentonv 5y ago
        Agreed!
- ethbr0 5y ago
  No. It's a public forum, nothing egregious was said, and I quoted nothing. And I'd be annoyed too, if I was working my ass off on a project, and continually seeing marketing measures being posted that I didn't think were valid. But marketing lies (the engineering term) by figuring out when a lie isn't a lie (the legal term). It's literally their job. No news there.
- tzs 5y ago
  > Please edit the username involved out of your post I'm not sure I see the point given how comment deleting works on HN. You can only delete HN comments that have no responses, and that user's comment has a response tree of sufficient breadth and depth that it seems unlikely that everyone who has responded will delete their comments before the 2 hour edit/delete window passed. The usual convention if you want to delete a comment but replies are stopping you from doing so seems to be (if the 2 hour window has not closed) to edit it to say "[deleted]" or something similar. That still leaves your name on it, and so I don't see how having your name also mentioned in one of the replies is going to make anything worse.
  - refulgentis 5y ago
    Ah, if kentonv can't delete his comment due to replies, he's already doxx'd, so yeah, no point. Thanks for clarifying that!
    - dekhn 5y ago
      dude, he doesn't care. he doesn't need your help. his dox are already on the internet. a guy like him is going to stand behind the statement he made, and be willing to push back against management.
      - kentonv 5y ago
        Yes. But... I don't think I made any statements against my own management here. Are people reading something anti-Cloudflare in my comment?
        refulgentis 5y ago
        TL;DR characterizing the situation as mud-slinging seemed way off key from a disinvested party's perspective. Your mileage may vary, there's no absolutes, and you certainly have enough experience in the industry and being in the public eye that generic advice isn't necessarily valuable here, as our friend points out. To your point, maybe it is a problem. Who knows. Life is messy, and pitching absolutes that you pretend are clear to everyone else in order to intensify criticism of a person for having any thought at all, actually only makes it harder to everyone else. (this is response to our friend here, not you)
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  Why are you policing HN comments? Let people post as they wish; I would assume most people posting in these discussions as intelligent adults with enough agency to understand their decisions.

by ethbr0 5y ago

refulgentis 5y ago

Please edit the username involved out of your post. Thank you for considering!! It's helpful to the community to leave people feeling comfortable contributing, and removing contributions is a core part of that. You only have a short amount of time, edits are disabled after...I'm not sure, perhaps an hour. If you regret removing it, you can always come back and reply again. :)

judge2020 5y ago
Well, deletion is also prohibited as soon as anyone replies to the comment, so his username is set in stone even if he has the chance to edit it for a few hours.
dekhn 5y ago
what are you even talking about. you mean the reference to kentonv? as stated, kenton is the tech lead for a major cloud project (as well as a respected open source developer). It's pretty clear from watching what he says that he is generally makes wise statements, while also providing some useful color (for which I am eternally grateful).
- refulgentis 5y ago
  I did not, and do not, reference the username involved in any of my posts, until now. The first 3 replies to Kenton, including mine, don't recognize Kenton immediately or on a first name basis just from their account name. So, we all reacted the way people react to the generic situation at hand: be careful, you're attaching your name and position to something that further commits your employer to a narrative you're trying to dispel. I appreciate you providing this info, between that and Kenton's replies about themself (ex. about protos and cap'n proto) its clears that he has extensive experience in industry and at big companies, and certainly knows the tradeoff they're making. That's awesome, and different enough from the median situation to obviate early advice re: commenting on your employer.
  - kentonv 5y ago
    Yes, thanks for your concern but I do know what I'm doing. Most days I wouldn't post a comment like the one above. This was a bit of a "fuck it, just this once" moment and I'm not proud of it, but I stand behind what I said and don't feel the need to delete it.
    - shock-value 5y ago
      It's pretty unprofessional.
      - kentonv 5y ago
        Agreed!
ethbr0 5y ago
No. It's a public forum, nothing egregious was said, and I quoted nothing. And I'd be annoyed too, if I was working my ass off on a project, and continually seeing marketing measures being posted that I didn't think were valid. But marketing lies (the engineering term) by figuring out when a lie isn't a lie (the legal term). It's literally their job. No news there.
tzs 5y ago
> Please edit the username involved out of your post I'm not sure I see the point given how comment deleting works on HN. You can only delete HN comments that have no responses, and that user's comment has a response tree of sufficient breadth and depth that it seems unlikely that everyone who has responded will delete their comments before the 2 hour edit/delete window passed. The usual convention if you want to delete a comment but replies are stopping you from doing so seems to be (if the 2 hour window has not closed) to edit it to say "[deleted]" or something similar. That still leaves your name on it, and so I don't see how having your name also mentioned in one of the replies is going to make anything worse.
- refulgentis 5y ago
  Ah, if kentonv can't delete his comment due to replies, he's already doxx'd, so yeah, no point. Thanks for clarifying that!
  - dekhn 5y ago
    dude, he doesn't care. he doesn't need your help. his dox are already on the internet. a guy like him is going to stand behind the statement he made, and be willing to push back against management.
    - kentonv 5y ago
      Yes. But... I don't think I made any statements against my own management here. Are people reading something anti-Cloudflare in my comment?
      - refulgentis 5y ago
        TL;DR characterizing the situation as mud-slinging seemed way off key from a disinvested party's perspective. Your mileage may vary, there's no absolutes, and you certainly have enough experience in the industry and being in the public eye that generic advice isn't necessarily valuable here, as our friend points out. To your point, maybe it is a problem. Who knows. Life is messy, and pitching absolutes that you pretend are clear to everyone else in order to intensify criticism of a person for having any thought at all, actually only makes it harder to everyone else. (this is response to our friend here, not you)
halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
Why are you policing HN comments? Let people post as they wish; I would assume most people posting in these discussions as intelligent adults with enough agency to understand their decisions.