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Tildeverse.org: A loose association of like-minded tilde communities
- xhevahir 5y ago> tildes are pubnixes in the spirit of tilde.club, which was created in 2014 by paul ford. I don't know what any of that means.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoA pubnix is a public access *nix-system.
- larusso 5y agoHehe same here. I always feel like I have been living under a rock when a page like this gets pushed to HN.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoIt largely consists of a community of people eschewing social media and the big platforms. You'll see it pop up here and there, but a lot of the reason you aren't seeing it a lot is quite intentional. Much of the content isn't even published on the clearnet, instead only accessible over Gopher or Gemini. It's a hodge-podge of punk, DIY, bohemian, counter-cultural weirdos of every flavor. Poets and unabombers and lovers and shitposters.
- nomemory 5y agoThis guy summarised the community well. I wouldn't go that far to call them unabombers though. Some of them might have some radical ideas regarding the way software should be written. But that's it.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoI did actually find a site that basically boiled down to "Ted Kazinski Was Right And Here Is Why". But I mean more the whole RMS vibe some people are rocking.
- thewakalix 5y ago"Proprietary software and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."
- handrous 5y ago> I did actually find a site that basically boiled down to "Ted Kazinski Was Right And Here Is Why". That's not a terribly uncommon sentiment. Usually people mean the manifesto, not the part where he bombed people.
- southerntofu 5y ago> Much of the content isn't even published on the clearnet, instead only accessible over Gopher or Gemini. How is gopher or gemini not "clearnet"? Gopher doesn't even have any encryption (gemini uses TLS). Seriously though, i find it weird that everything Google/Facebook doesn't link you to is considered "darknet" nowadays.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoClearnet as opposed to deep web, not dark web.
- southerntofu 5y agoWhat difference do you make between those? From my perspective, they're just marketing lingo invented by security vendors, intelligence agencies and cheap journalists. EDIT: Is my mailbox darkweb or deepweb? What about LAN services? Torrents? Is anything not available on HTTP and public DNS not "clearnet"?
- detaro 5y agoif included in such definitions, your mailbox would be deepweb (if you access it through a standard web browser), since it can't be found just by following links.
- webmaven 5y ago> if included in such definitions, your mailbox would be deepweb (if you access it through a standard web browser), since it can't be found just by following links. A mailing list that didn't have web-accessible archives would qualify. Arguably, so would a list that had archives that just weren't crawlable.
- detaro 5y agoA mailing list that doesn't have web-accessible archives is not *web at all. If the archives are web-accessible but protected/hidden, deepweb.
- howenterprisey 5y agoGotcha covered: https://journal.tildeverse.org/entries/what-are-tildes-and-how-you-can-use-tilde-computing https://journal.tildeverse.org/entries/what-are-tildes-and-h...
- s_dev 5y agoPaul Ford puts it much better himself: >Tilde.club is one cheap, unmodified Unix computer on the Internet. >That’s it. That’s all it is. It is no more than that. >If you look for more for it to be you will find nothing. The implication I'd add is that it's just a 'shared' unix machine.
- dusted 5y agoThe "tilde" part of the name comes from the ~ character, traditionally used to indicate a users public HTML directory. For instance, if you were a user "dannyboy" on example.com you might host a website in /home/dannyboy/public_html and it'd be exposed via example.com/~dannoyboy
- joshu 5y agoand unix shell expansion before that
- dusted 5y agooh yes, of course, I used to type cd ~ instead of just cd. Totally forgot that
- thewakalix 5y agoAs they say, $HOME is where the tilde is.
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- mastazi 5y agoYou can also visit them on gopher but some users don't have an active gopher space so it's a bit hit & miss sometimes (still less boring than mainstream web and its "here's what our algorithm thinks you will like")
- NoboruWataya 5y agoIncreasingly, Gemini too.
- grouphugs 5y agothey're literally nazis, did you see what they federate with? are you people fucking retarded?
- grouphugs 5y agowhy is hn always promoting white supremacist content?
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- southerntofu 5y agoThe tildeverse is amazing! So many creative folks in there and many of them can be found on irc.tilde.chat which is still widely used. In some way, i find tilde servers to be some kind of hosting coop where users can tailor to their own needs and contribute more services to the shared infra. For example, thunix.net and fr.tild3.org both have public ansible recipes where users can submit patches. With fellow people from ~fr, we published an article a few months back arguing how tilde servers change the power balance on the network during lockdowns: https://fr.tild3.org/en/blog/2021/may-first/ https://fr.tild3.org/en/blog/2021/may-first/
- bullen 5y agoMy static tilde page is still there; this will be my canary for community vs. company persistence.
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- jl6 5y agoTime to promote the tilde quilt: https://tilde.club/~lab6/quilt.html https://tilde.club/~lab6/quilt.html Instructions: https://tilde.club/wiki/quilt.html https://tilde.club/wiki/quilt.html
- dugmartin 5y agoSomewhat related question that I'm interested in knowing people's thoughts on... If you have a website that contains user generated content aimed at technical folks what looks nicer (and maybe what are some more options?): 1. GitHub's implicit username: https://github.com/foo https://github.com/foo 2. Medium's @username: https://medium.com/@foo https://medium.com/@foo 3. Old style homedir (eg tildeverse): http://tilde.club/~foo http://tilde.club/~foo 4. Explicit user folder: https://example.com/users/foo https://example.com/users/foo My preference is not to use implicit usernames since you then would need to filter against a blocklist (something like https://github.com/marteinn/The-Big-Username-Blocklist https://github.com/marteinn/The-Big-Username-Blocklist). Anybody have any opinions?
- bennyp101 5y agoI don't know why, but personally I always associate old school style ~/ as more ... trust worthy? I don't know why though! Perhaps because I remember having those kind of addresses when I younger, and therefore associate with an older generation? (Not that that guarantees trustworthiness!) Or maybe because a lot of academic personal sites use that as well? I guess in terms of "what looks nicer", for me: 1. I assume this is just a directory 2. '@' in URLs just feels weird now, it's not a usename:password type thing 3. Not particularly pretty 4. I think that signifies what it is, and who it is
- nemetroid 5y agoTildes are painful to type on several non-English layouts (e.g. Swedish). I like their Unixy vibe but disdain having to type them.
- marginalia_nu 5y agoHmm, I use both Swedish and English layouts and I'd say they're about as painful to type on both. It's almost the exact same movement, except with the other hand.
- nemetroid 5y agoReally? Tilde is a dead key on a typical Swedish keyboard, meaning that you have to type AltGr+~ followed by space. Technically, the space is not needed for letters that ~ doesn't compose with, but having to think about that is part of the pain. I also can't agree that it's almost the same hand movement, you have to use your right thumb for AltGr while also reaching for the key with your right hand. On an English layout you'd use your pinky for shift, or even your other hand.
- superkuh 5y agoIt's rare to see a non-commercial walled garden. But that's what the tildeverse is.
- zepto 5y agoWhat are you talking about? How is it ‘walled’?
- superkuh 5y agoI've never been able to connect to tilde.chat. I'm connected to literally 20 other IRC networks with no issue. Can you connect?
- Karrot_Kream 5y agoLots of content made by Tildes folks end up in places like Gemini or Gopher which aren't easily accessible. It's walled, but not paywalled nor web signup walled.
- zepto 5y agoI don’t see how this makes any sense at all as a definition of ‘walled’. There are freely available and free of charge Gemini and Gopher clients for every platform, almost all of which are open source. No signups to any service are required. For that matter, there are Gemini gateways on the web, so you don’t even need to install anything. If your definition of a ‘walled garden’ is anything that can’t be accessed directly by the web browser Google or Apple pre-installed on your device, I think you might want to reconsider.
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago> If your definition of a ‘walled garden’ is anything that can’t be accessed directly by the web browser Google or Apple pre-installed on your device, I think you might want to reconsider. No that's not my definition but also, why would I reconsider? Are you angry at Google or Apple and trying to defend the Tildes or something? I'm using "walled" in the sense that there's a level of gatekeeping the community does, so builds up walls, to attract a certain kind of person. This kind of person _wants_ to hang out on a shared TUI-based *nix system. That's the wall. Much like a signup wall requires people have logins. That's all.
- zppln 5y agoPretty sure I just got Rickroll'd...
- warent 5y agoWebsite creator redirected to Rick Astley, maybe they were getting too much traffic? Funny but weird and vaguely hostile without any explanation
- rgoulter 5y agoI was wondering why "vaguely hostile", but then I saw opening the URL itself works fine.
- nyanpasu64 5y agoIt only rickrolls you when you click from HN.
- 1_player 5y agoIs jwz behind tildeverse.org? EDIT: it still redirects there from a new tab for me. Is it like this for everyone, has it set a cookie and I'll always be sent there? In any case, I don't care about this product anymore if they're going to be an asshole about it.
- ineptech 5y agoFrom context it seems like an awesome community, the sort of thing I'd like to be a part of, and I'm sure some other folks here feel similarly; but it's been redirected to a rickroll video, which I'm guessing means something like, "Part of what makes this fun is that it's small and doesn't get too much attention, so move along please." Okay. wistful sigh
- acdw 5y agoI mean you /can/ just type in the URL.
- rchaud 5y agoWow, I don't think I've been rickrolled since 2007. There really should be a built in browser feature that prompts the user that the link they clicked redirects somewhere else.
- kymaz 5y agoFirefox used to have better redirect limitations, I guess web developers didn't like that and they were noisier than the users that took advantage of it.
- yobananaboy 5y agoArchived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20211119133814/https://tildeverse.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20211119133814/https://tildevers... Looks like it's just the homepage that's been rickrolled, the members page appears to be up: https://tildeverse.org/members/ https://tildeverse.org/members/
- acdw 5y agoSameless bread-promotion: I run a bread-themed tilde server here (with no rickroll): https://breadpunk.club https://breadpunk.club I was inspired by the tildeverse and all the friends I've made on IRC! It's great fun :) Highly recommend. I got started with https://tilde.town https://tilde.town, which is v comfy.
- kingcharles 5y agoI ran what you would now call a tilde server back in the 90s. Then the Secret Service showed up at my door. Be careful who you share with. Some of them might actually be a unabomber.