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>mapping sites cannot record "street level" images in public view, but the government will decree what is and is not allowed speech This isn't a contradiction
by Barrin92 5y ago
>mapping sites cannot record "street level" images in public view, but the government will decree what is and is not allowed speech
This isn't a contradiction unless you view everything through an American cultural lens. There is no conception of absolute freedom of speech in Germany. The public sphere in Germany is not the Wild West, never has been, never will be and has always been subject to considerations about what is in the public interest. In public you're not just an individual, you're a "Staatsbürger", a citizen of the state, and you have not only privileges but obligations to maintain public life.
Right to your data, your own body, your private communication, your own image, and so forth is part of the private sphere and personal, and as such enjoys much more protection.
- mk81 5y agoYou lose. Better luck next time.
- pjc50 5y agoThe historical reason for the restrictions is obvious: https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-confusing-rules-on-swastikas-and-nazi-symbols/a-45063547 https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-confusing-rules-on-swastikas-...
- tut-urut-utut 5y ago[flagged]
- phkahler 5y agoRemember that other part about... what did PP say? A member / part of the state? That's not about privacy.
- snovv_crash 5y agoExactly. They can't mandate a vaccine if you just sit at home your whole life. But if you enter the public sphere there are certain rules you need to follow, and the state can mandate those.
- krylon 5y agoThere already were mandatory vaccinations (against smallpox) in Germany, up to the 1970s, and there is a current vaccine mandate against measles for children. That cat has been out of the bag for a long time. And with good reason. Smallpox, rabies, tetanus, and tuberculosis are practically extinct in Western Europe because of vaccines. Let's try to add Covid to that list, please?
- syshum 5y ago[flagged]
- wizzwizz4 5y ago> and the fact that the mRNA vaccines does not "kill" the virus in the same way the SmallPox vaccine did, …? Actually, it has exactly the same effect as the smallpox vaccine. It vaccinated, aka immunised. What are you on about?
- ahartmetz 5y ago> What are you on about? I guess what is commonly called sterilizing immunity. Immunity which is so effective that the illness doesn't occur and which makes it impossible to infect others.
- _0ffh 5y agoIn this context I was recently pointed to the story of Marek's disease [0], which went from a "quite low death rate" to "100% lethal" in a few decades. I think it's worth to know about this and have a long, hard think about the potential consequences of universal, non-sterilising vaccination. We might be locking ourselves into a situation with no escape. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention
- syshum 5y ago[flagged]
- irrational 5y agoMandatory vaccination is about the good of the state/society which should override personal rights and freedoms.
- the_why_of_y 5y agoNo, it's to a large extent about the rights of people who cannot be effectively vaccinated due to pre-existing medical conditions, and therefore have to rely on herd immunity, and the rights of people who cannot receive needed health care because hospitals are filled with unvaccinated Covid-19 patients.
- andai 5y ago> the state/society which should override personal rights and freedoms Well, this is desirable to a degree, but if you take this idea all the way, you get totalitarianism.
- UsedCab 5y agoNo, totalitarianism is not for the good of society. And if it were, then it wouldn't be so bad after all.
- d110af5ccf 5y ago> No, totalitarianism is not for the good of society. From your perspective. I suspect most of those supporting it would feel differently.
- pc86 5y agoThere is no absolute freedom of speech in the US, either.
- randomNumber7 5y agoCompared to what is allowed in germany it feels like that, though.
- mpweiher 5y agoReally? Can you give an example, aside from Holocaust denial? If anything, having lived in both the US and Germany, I feel more free in Germany. As an example, Google would not have been able to fire James Damore for his memo here.
- pc86 5y agoThe reason Google wouldn't have been able to do that has nothing to do with freedom of speech here, though. It's not at all relevant.
- mpweiher 5y agoActually it does, unless you think government is the only entity that can restrict speech.
- pc86 5y agoThe government is the only entity legally prohibited from repealing it (in the US, anyway).
- mpweiher 5y agoBut US-style FoS only applies to the government in the first place: "Freedom of speech, also called free speech, means the free and public expression of opinions without censorship, interference and restraint by the government." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_Unite... (Emphasis mine). Specifically: "The First Amendment's constitutional right of free speech, which is applicable to state and local governments under the incorporation doctrine,[6] prevents only government restrictions on speech, not restrictions imposed by private individuals or businesses unless they are acting on behalf of the government.[7]" So companies can restrict your speech all day long, as happened with James Damore. "However, laws may restrict the ability of private businesses and individuals from restricting the speech of others, such as employment laws that restrict employers' ability to prevent employees from disclosing their salary to coworkers or attempting to organize a labor union.[8]" But that is not the 1st amendment or general FoS legislation, but specifically employment laws. And employment laws are notoriously employer-friendly and employee-hostile in the US.
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