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> Like anything we could ever hope to try is already accounted for and defeated before the effort even begins. Gay marriage, the fall of communism, civil right
by robotresearcher 5y ago
> Like anything we could ever hope to try is already accounted for and defeated before the effort even begins.
Gay marriage, the fall of communism, civil rights, universal health care (in every rich country but one), women's rights.
Don't forget about the very important real progress being made.
- noahth 5y agoA very large fraction of DeFi supporters do not regard all of those as desirable progress.
- pydry 5y agoPart of the reason you got gay marriage but not universal healthcare is that gay marriage doesn't threaten corporate interests.
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoUniversal Healthcare doesn't particularly threaten corporate interests either. Remember when centrist Obama tried to implement the Heritage foundation approved version and everyone went a little crazy for no obvious reason? It would be comforting to think that some evil geniuses were holding back universal healthcare for their own benefit, but it's mostly just lingering stupidity and racism that's holding America back on that front. At this point it's clear that the people who stoked that anger and fear over decades no longer have control of how to direct it (if they ever did).
- swagasaurus-rex 5y agoHealth insurance is what holds back universal health care, along with hospitals themselves. Both of them are incentivized to raise costs for consumers.
- kelseyfrog 5y agoIs it possible to de-capitalize heathcare? Not in this economy.
- throwawayboise 5y agoAlmost afraid to ask, but how is racism holding back health care?
- oivey 5y agoYou lost the word “universal” in “universal healthcare” in the comment you’re replying to. There are many ways racism impedes the push for universal healthcare. One is the classic fact that it is a welfare program, and that spurs the comments and thoughts about welfare queens and “young bucks.”
- mcbishop 5y agoWhen I hear "welfare queen," I think of a black woman. Because I'm racist (sadly). From that, the racist idea that free services (e.g. universal healthcare) are unduly exploited by black people (or immigrants).
- maerF0x0 5y agoI've never understood the reason we even have marriage defined in government at all, and thusly would include "gay" marriage (all marriage is marriage if it's undefined)... We don't have a government definition of prayer or baptism, but for some reason we have have codified that one religious practice into our government? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Also why do they get varyingly get tax incentives or disincentives? Maybe its the armchair libertarian in me, but it seems like we should just remove any formal definition of marriage from the government and instead normalize more power of attorney style actions.
- amelius 5y agoI think governments generally want to impress their own values onto the people. Marriage is often part of that.
- JasonFruit 5y agoHow would that increase government power? It's like you aren't even trying to grow government.
- burntoutfire 5y agoMarriage is not a religious practice. Proof: non-religious people get married all the time.
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- nostrebored 5y agoYeah and neither are Christmas or Easter!
- handrous 5y agoKinda true. Especially Christmas.
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