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As a double vaccinated German, I am very disappointed and angry about this move. Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could h

As a double vaccinated German, I am very disappointed and angry about this move. Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could have known...). We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy.

voidr 5y ago
Why aren't you angry at the anti-vaxxers instead? If they would have gotten the jab, this would be mostly under control. > We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. Getting everyone vaccinated is the only strategy, everything else is either worthless or swaps COVID deaths with mental health an economic casualties. > And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. It was already divided, it's just that the government stopped caring about the side that doesn't care and fails to listen to the actual professionals. > This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections Look at literally any statistics or read any paper made by any credible person. > it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy. They'll cave eventually and accept that their stubbornness is not above other people's well being. This is not just a stupid debate about which politicians each camp likes, anti-vaxxers make everybody's life miserable and even kill people for exactly no benefit, they have no arguments other than Facebook conspiracy theories and other fake news.
yladiz 5y ago
Genuine question: given the current situation, what's the alternative? A lockdown for everyone? Vaccine mandate? Doing nothing and removing restrictions? Something else?
- musicale 5y ago
  Is it worse than last winter?
  - Arnt 5y ago
    Quite likely, yes. And no. In the part of Germany where I live, 7-day incidence among the unvaccinated is 1726, which is much worse than last winter, and it's 112 among the vaccinated. Hospitalisation tells a similar story: The unvaccinated are suffering. If that 1726 would rise as it did last winter, a lot of unvaccinated fools would die. A hundred thousand dead in three months, perhaps.
    - musicale 5y ago
      :(
- disneygibson 5y ago
  Increase hospital staff? Encourage social distancing? I don’t know, anything other than creating second class citizens in a country with a horrible history of it?
  - yladiz 5y ago
    Increasing staff won't add more beds to already full hospitals, though. And social distancing has been encouraged for a while, even for the vaccinated, and it hasn't seemed to help.
    - disneygibson 5y ago
      Then build new hospitals. Or learn to live with it. Authoritarianism isn’t somehow justified because current actions “haven’t seemed to help.” That’s the playbook of every oppressive regime since the beginning of time: this is an emergency so we don’t need to follow laws or respect rights.
  - yoghurt 5y ago
    You can't simply increase hospital staff - these are highly trained people. That's an investment that takes years to pay off. Encouraging social distancing doesn't work, people are tired of it and many either didn't care in the first place or don't care now that they are fully vaccinated. Many western countries messed up big time by not investing enough into their health care systems or into properly educating their population. So now they're out of options.
  - Arnt 5y ago
    The hospitals have been hiring nonstop. Unfortunately medical staff is also leaving the hospitals that treat corona patients. As one said, speaking to a journalist, the current patients are a "potpourri of difficult personalities", so the nurses apply for jobs at things like eye clinic and the hospitals can't even operate the beds they have.
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- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Imagine a world in which the vaccine does not exist. What would you do then? That is the alternative.
  - yladiz 5y ago
    We don't live in a world without the vaccine, so I don't see the argument.
    - tinus_hn 5y ago
      A possible answer to your question of what we could do if we do not want to force people to get vaccinated is the same as what we could do if people could not be vaccinated. You said it was your ‘genuine question’. So I’m not sure why you need to see the argument. It’s an answer to your question, not an argument.
      - detaro 5y ago
        So basically lockdown for all, because restricting the rights of everybody is better than restricting the rights of some. Good luck convincing the courts that that's the minimal necessary restriction.
        tinus_hn 5y ago
        There are more options than ‘lockdown for all’, but yes, it would be one of the things you could do if vaccinations were not available.
        detaro 5y ago
        But vaccinations are available, so you likely can't do it legally.
        tinus_hn 5y ago
        That’s for the courts to decide. Is a lockdown not allowed because forcing people to vaccinate is an option? Or is forcing people to vaccinate not allowed because lockdown is an option?
- musicale 5y ago
  Does managing indoor humidity help? It seems to with other respiratory viruses.
  - yosito 5y ago
    Yes! Indoor humidity helps in at least two ways: 1) Humidity prevents aerosol transmission 2) Humidity helps the cillia in your airways function better and remove foreign particles, including viruses faster before they have a chance to infect you.
- shoto_io 5y ago
  Probably not much. All KPIs are heading down now anyways, just look into the RKI dashboard [1]. Doing a quick math exercise underscores this: 70% are vaccinated, 6 million had it (at least, the number is probably higher), so in total 80-85% of the population already had it or is vaccinated by now. Numbers should go down now from now, which they actually start to do, if you look in the dashboard. [1] https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Dez_2021/2021-12-02-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
  - yladiz 5y ago
    It's not great, and I do wish that the current coalition had prepared a bit more for this winter, rather than assuming 1. enough people would get vaccinated, and 2. that it wouldn't come back seasonally like last year. They really should have prepared months ago. I can't think of a better alternative given the current situation if the end goal is to get people to reduce contact and get vaccinated, short of a full lockdown for everyone (which I think is a lot less preferable). Whether this form of lockdown will have any effect remains to be seen.
    - shoto_io 5y ago
      It’s absurd to believe that this will actually do anything additional to reduce infections on the short term. People don’t get infected while shopping. This is just meant to pressure the unvaccinated to get vaccinated which might help next year. Unvaccinated people will just meet privately at home and get infected. It’s just the wrong move at the worst possible time.
      - kitkat_new 5y ago
        > Unvaccinated people will just meet privately at home and get infected. they are anyways
      - InvertedRhodium 5y ago
        > People don’t get infected while shopping. What's so special about shopping that it prevents transmission of a relatively communicable disease?
- swader999 5y ago
  Focus on early treatment. Drugs like ivermectin, hcq, fluvoxamine
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Ivermectin and hcq do nothing for covid. No idea what fluvoxamine is.
    - swader999 5y ago
      I hope you or someone close to you never get as desperate as I was. Saved my life.
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      It's an antidepressant. I don't think it has any effect on COVID, either proven or rumoured.
      - nradov 5y ago
        There have been several small studies which show fluvoxamine is an effective COVID-19 treatment. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid+fluvoxamine https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid+fluvoxamine Results are still somewhat preliminary and it isn't formally approved for that use but I know that many physicians are prescribing it off label and report positive results. The safety profile is good as a temporary acute treatment so there's little reason not to use it.
        GekkePrutser 5y ago
        Huh I hadn't heard of that yet. I wonder if the same goes for other SSRIs. It's a pretty big class.
- Apaec 5y ago
  Control the media to stop the panic, that only worsens things with a nocebo effect. Gradually remove restrictions since numbers are going down anyways.
bijant 5y ago
Not only are they forcing the unvaccinated to get the shot, they are also forcing everyone who is fully vaccinated to get booster shots every 6 months for the indefinite future. When the vaccines were first introduced their validity was fixed at 12 months and their was talk about extending it ("because they are so incredibly effective").
- threevox 5y ago
  Big whoop
- serial_dev 5y ago
  Not sure what to say without being labeled an anti vaxxer... I was very sick for a week after each shot. I'm 30, I work from home, I work out, I'm lean and only go out when running in the forest and buy food. I can't possibly know what would happen if I caught covid, but I wish the vaccination (I'm already vaxxed, but I mean the boosters) was my choice. With my reaction to the vaccines, it's two weeks a year guaranteed sickness vs a very low chance of getting covid with an even lower chance of getting very sick from it. The pros and cons just don't make vaccination every six months an obvious choice for me.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    Yes I had a horrible reaction to the 2nd dose. So did everyone I know. Yes it's possible the real thing might be worse for me but I'm going to take my chances. I will not be taking a booster. I'm healthy, exercise regularly and I'm not in the age group that's high-risk. There are studies showing the vaccine isn't even effective at 3 months. There's no way I'm dealing with that shot every 3-6 months.
    - vletal 5y ago
      Just please cite the studies you mentioned. There is way too much nuance to be boiled down to such general claim.
      - 5y ago
vletal 5y ago
You feel like Germany is lacking basic strategy? I'm Czech and we wish here we would be as prepared and forward thinking as your representatives are. If it was not for one of the highest rate of ICU beds per capita in the world and all the high quality nurses and doctors we export to Germany, our health care would have already crumbled.
- m4rtink 5y ago
  Yet still the toll this is taking on the doctors and nurses in Czech hospitals is so sad. And to add insult to injury hardly anyone from the outside thanks them anymore & the antivaxers they often take care about are often very rude or even aggressive - often literally on deaths bed.
jstummbillig 5y ago
Nah. Germans love to complain but not as much as they love having things decided for them decisively and following the rules begrudgingly. There will be no uprising. People are going to complain, as per usual, no matter what the change, and then fall in line without any upset that could begin to rival the downside of them not doing so.
muttantt 5y ago
You are missing the point - the division IS their end goal.
- dang 5y ago
  Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments? You've unfortunately done it a lot and we're trying for something else here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - muttantt 5y ago
    It was a substantive comment, many are not aware of that fact.
    - dang 5y ago
      Sorry, but it counts as both unsubstantive and flamebait here, and certainly not a "fact". We need you to stop posting like this if you want to keep commenting here. The idea is: if you have a substantive point, make it thoughtfully; if not, please don't comment until you do.
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ryandrake 5y ago
> And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy. You could say this about any law that enforces some uncomfortable behavior change. Anyone who remembers when seat belt laws became real, sees history repeating itself, down to the exact same arguments about effectiveness and rhetoric about choice and tyranny and government overreach. COVID has been a challenge for the same reason Climate Change is challenging: They both require collective cooperative action from people, and you can't rely on everyone having a natural desire to do the right thing. Laws can't make people want to do the right thing--they can only provide incentives or disincentives for specific actions or behaviors.
- furgooswft13 5y ago
  You can take the seat belt off when the car ride is over. Also if you are caught without one you get a small fine, but you don't lose your job and the ability to participate in society.
  - wussboy 5y ago
    Because your refusal to wear a seatbelt presents no risk to others. But vaccine refusal does present a risk. So the stakes of the game are not the same.
    - ghoward 5y ago
      Refusing to wear a seatbelt does, in fact, present a risk to others because in a crash, you can become a lethal projectile should you fly and hit someone else.
      - zbentley 5y ago
        This happens how often, exactly?
politician 5y ago
Blaming national problems on minority groups and enforcing involuntary ghettoization is quite German, no?
2-718-281-828 5y ago
but they have their scape goats now. the infections rise b/c of the unvaxinated.
throwaway12409 5y ago
As a German resident, I know anti-vaxers. They use fake paper certificates and they are accepted everywhere no problem. Unless it becomes mandatory to ONLY scan QR codes, they will not be stopped (I assume QR codes cannot be faked atm). There are also lots of people checking who don't care and don't check properly. As 2/3 are unvaxxed, I imagine there are a lot of people who are anti-vax that check. I have been waived through without a thorough check most times. On one side, I'm angry at them for being dumb. But on the other side, I respect their freedom of what to do with their body. Many of them resist because they don't like the government telling them what they must do to their body, or they come from countries where they don't trust their government. There are so many occasions in life where you don't want to do something, even though it may be for the best, because you don't like the person or group of people telling you what to do. Like when someone tells an angry person to "just calm down". I think it's fair to place restrictions on them as long as the ICU beds are at an unacceptable level of capacity. But we should face the reality that unvaccinated people will always be among us.
apexalpha 5y ago
Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could have known...). We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. Your politicians HAVE prepared the country. There is a VERY BASIC strategy: get your bloody shot!
- shoto_io 5y ago
  That's not a strategy, that's wishful thinking. We have a vaccination rate of not even 70%. AND: forgot to booster the old and still don’t manage to booster them effectively. That's a huge failure. Every manager would get fired for this. And then add to this that we have reduced capacities in hospitals compared to last year...

voidr 5y ago

Why aren't you angry at the anti-vaxxers instead? If they would have gotten the jab, this would be mostly under control. > We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. Getting everyone vaccinated is the only strategy, everything else is either worthless or swaps COVID deaths with mental health an economic casualties. > And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. It was already divided, it's just that the government stopped caring about the side that doesn't care and fails to listen to the actual professionals. > This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections Look at literally any statistics or read any paper made by any credible person. > it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy. They'll cave eventually and accept that their stubbornness is not above other people's well being. This is not just a stupid debate about which politicians each camp likes, anti-vaxxers make everybody's life miserable and even kill people for exactly no benefit, they have no arguments other than Facebook conspiracy theories and other fake news.

yladiz 5y ago

Genuine question: given the current situation, what's the alternative? A lockdown for everyone? Vaccine mandate? Doing nothing and removing restrictions? Something else?

musicale 5y ago
Is it worse than last winter?
- Arnt 5y ago
  Quite likely, yes. And no. In the part of Germany where I live, 7-day incidence among the unvaccinated is 1726, which is much worse than last winter, and it's 112 among the vaccinated. Hospitalisation tells a similar story: The unvaccinated are suffering. If that 1726 would rise as it did last winter, a lot of unvaccinated fools would die. A hundred thousand dead in three months, perhaps.
  - musicale 5y ago
    :(
disneygibson 5y ago
Increase hospital staff? Encourage social distancing? I don’t know, anything other than creating second class citizens in a country with a horrible history of it?
- yladiz 5y ago
  Increasing staff won't add more beds to already full hospitals, though. And social distancing has been encouraged for a while, even for the vaccinated, and it hasn't seemed to help.
  - disneygibson 5y ago
    Then build new hospitals. Or learn to live with it. Authoritarianism isn’t somehow justified because current actions “haven’t seemed to help.” That’s the playbook of every oppressive regime since the beginning of time: this is an emergency so we don’t need to follow laws or respect rights.
- yoghurt 5y ago
  You can't simply increase hospital staff - these are highly trained people. That's an investment that takes years to pay off. Encouraging social distancing doesn't work, people are tired of it and many either didn't care in the first place or don't care now that they are fully vaccinated. Many western countries messed up big time by not investing enough into their health care systems or into properly educating their population. So now they're out of options.
- Arnt 5y ago
  The hospitals have been hiring nonstop. Unfortunately medical staff is also leaving the hospitals that treat corona patients. As one said, speaking to a journalist, the current patients are a "potpourri of difficult personalities", so the nurses apply for jobs at things like eye clinic and the hospitals can't even operate the beds they have.
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tinus_hn 5y ago
Imagine a world in which the vaccine does not exist. What would you do then? That is the alternative.
- yladiz 5y ago
  We don't live in a world without the vaccine, so I don't see the argument.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    A possible answer to your question of what we could do if we do not want to force people to get vaccinated is the same as what we could do if people could not be vaccinated. You said it was your ‘genuine question’. So I’m not sure why you need to see the argument. It’s an answer to your question, not an argument.
    - detaro 5y ago
      So basically lockdown for all, because restricting the rights of everybody is better than restricting the rights of some. Good luck convincing the courts that that's the minimal necessary restriction.
      - tinus_hn 5y ago
        There are more options than ‘lockdown for all’, but yes, it would be one of the things you could do if vaccinations were not available.
        detaro 5y ago
        But vaccinations are available, so you likely can't do it legally.
        tinus_hn 5y ago
        That’s for the courts to decide. Is a lockdown not allowed because forcing people to vaccinate is an option? Or is forcing people to vaccinate not allowed because lockdown is an option?
musicale 5y ago
Does managing indoor humidity help? It seems to with other respiratory viruses.
- yosito 5y ago
  Yes! Indoor humidity helps in at least two ways: 1) Humidity prevents aerosol transmission 2) Humidity helps the cillia in your airways function better and remove foreign particles, including viruses faster before they have a chance to infect you.
shoto_io 5y ago
Probably not much. All KPIs are heading down now anyways, just look into the RKI dashboard [1]. Doing a quick math exercise underscores this: 70% are vaccinated, 6 million had it (at least, the number is probably higher), so in total 80-85% of the population already had it or is vaccinated by now. Numbers should go down now from now, which they actually start to do, if you look in the dashboard. [1] https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Dez_2021/2021-12-02-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus...
- yladiz 5y ago
  It's not great, and I do wish that the current coalition had prepared a bit more for this winter, rather than assuming 1. enough people would get vaccinated, and 2. that it wouldn't come back seasonally like last year. They really should have prepared months ago. I can't think of a better alternative given the current situation if the end goal is to get people to reduce contact and get vaccinated, short of a full lockdown for everyone (which I think is a lot less preferable). Whether this form of lockdown will have any effect remains to be seen.
  - shoto_io 5y ago
    It’s absurd to believe that this will actually do anything additional to reduce infections on the short term. People don’t get infected while shopping. This is just meant to pressure the unvaccinated to get vaccinated which might help next year. Unvaccinated people will just meet privately at home and get infected. It’s just the wrong move at the worst possible time.
    - kitkat_new 5y ago
      > Unvaccinated people will just meet privately at home and get infected. they are anyways
    - InvertedRhodium 5y ago
      > People don’t get infected while shopping. What's so special about shopping that it prevents transmission of a relatively communicable disease?
swader999 5y ago
Focus on early treatment. Drugs like ivermectin, hcq, fluvoxamine
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Ivermectin and hcq do nothing for covid. No idea what fluvoxamine is.
  - swader999 5y ago
    I hope you or someone close to you never get as desperate as I was. Saved my life.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    It's an antidepressant. I don't think it has any effect on COVID, either proven or rumoured.
    - nradov 5y ago
      There have been several small studies which show fluvoxamine is an effective COVID-19 treatment. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid+fluvoxamine https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid+fluvoxamine Results are still somewhat preliminary and it isn't formally approved for that use but I know that many physicians are prescribing it off label and report positive results. The safety profile is good as a temporary acute treatment so there's little reason not to use it.
      - GekkePrutser 5y ago
        Huh I hadn't heard of that yet. I wonder if the same goes for other SSRIs. It's a pretty big class.
Apaec 5y ago
Control the media to stop the panic, that only worsens things with a nocebo effect. Gradually remove restrictions since numbers are going down anyways.

bijant 5y ago

Not only are they forcing the unvaccinated to get the shot, they are also forcing everyone who is fully vaccinated to get booster shots every 6 months for the indefinite future. When the vaccines were first introduced their validity was fixed at 12 months and their was talk about extending it ("because they are so incredibly effective").

threevox 5y ago
Big whoop
serial_dev 5y ago
Not sure what to say without being labeled an anti vaxxer... I was very sick for a week after each shot. I'm 30, I work from home, I work out, I'm lean and only go out when running in the forest and buy food. I can't possibly know what would happen if I caught covid, but I wish the vaccination (I'm already vaxxed, but I mean the boosters) was my choice. With my reaction to the vaccines, it's two weeks a year guaranteed sickness vs a very low chance of getting covid with an even lower chance of getting very sick from it. The pros and cons just don't make vaccination every six months an obvious choice for me.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  Yes I had a horrible reaction to the 2nd dose. So did everyone I know. Yes it's possible the real thing might be worse for me but I'm going to take my chances. I will not be taking a booster. I'm healthy, exercise regularly and I'm not in the age group that's high-risk. There are studies showing the vaccine isn't even effective at 3 months. There's no way I'm dealing with that shot every 3-6 months.
  - vletal 5y ago
    Just please cite the studies you mentioned. There is way too much nuance to be boiled down to such general claim.
    - 5y ago

vletal 5y ago

You feel like Germany is lacking basic strategy? I'm Czech and we wish here we would be as prepared and forward thinking as your representatives are. If it was not for one of the highest rate of ICU beds per capita in the world and all the high quality nurses and doctors we export to Germany, our health care would have already crumbled.

m4rtink 5y ago
Yet still the toll this is taking on the doctors and nurses in Czech hospitals is so sad. And to add insult to injury hardly anyone from the outside thanks them anymore & the antivaxers they often take care about are often very rude or even aggressive - often literally on deaths bed.

jstummbillig 5y ago

Nah. Germans love to complain but not as much as they love having things decided for them decisively and following the rules begrudgingly. There will be no uprising. People are going to complain, as per usual, no matter what the change, and then fall in line without any upset that could begin to rival the downside of them not doing so.

muttantt 5y ago

You are missing the point - the division IS their end goal.

dang 5y ago
Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments? You've unfortunately done it a lot and we're trying for something else here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- muttantt 5y ago
  It was a substantive comment, many are not aware of that fact.
  - dang 5y ago
    Sorry, but it counts as both unsubstantive and flamebait here, and certainly not a "fact". We need you to stop posting like this if you want to keep commenting here. The idea is: if you have a substantive point, make it thoughtfully; if not, please don't comment until you do.

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ryandrake 5y ago

> And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy. You could say this about any law that enforces some uncomfortable behavior change. Anyone who remembers when seat belt laws became real, sees history repeating itself, down to the exact same arguments about effectiveness and rhetoric about choice and tyranny and government overreach. COVID has been a challenge for the same reason Climate Change is challenging: They both require collective cooperative action from people, and you can't rely on everyone having a natural desire to do the right thing. Laws can't make people want to do the right thing--they can only provide incentives or disincentives for specific actions or behaviors.

furgooswft13 5y ago
You can take the seat belt off when the car ride is over. Also if you are caught without one you get a small fine, but you don't lose your job and the ability to participate in society.
- wussboy 5y ago
  Because your refusal to wear a seatbelt presents no risk to others. But vaccine refusal does present a risk. So the stakes of the game are not the same.
  - ghoward 5y ago
    Refusing to wear a seatbelt does, in fact, present a risk to others because in a crash, you can become a lethal projectile should you fly and hit someone else.
    - zbentley 5y ago
      This happens how often, exactly?

politician 5y ago

Blaming national problems on minority groups and enforcing involuntary ghettoization is quite German, no?

2-718-281-828 5y ago

but they have their scape goats now. the infections rise b/c of the unvaxinated.

throwaway12409 5y ago

As a German resident, I know anti-vaxers. They use fake paper certificates and they are accepted everywhere no problem. Unless it becomes mandatory to ONLY scan QR codes, they will not be stopped (I assume QR codes cannot be faked atm). There are also lots of people checking who don't care and don't check properly. As 2/3 are unvaxxed, I imagine there are a lot of people who are anti-vax that check. I have been waived through without a thorough check most times. On one side, I'm angry at them for being dumb. But on the other side, I respect their freedom of what to do with their body. Many of them resist because they don't like the government telling them what they must do to their body, or they come from countries where they don't trust their government. There are so many occasions in life where you don't want to do something, even though it may be for the best, because you don't like the person or group of people telling you what to do. Like when someone tells an angry person to "just calm down". I think it's fair to place restrictions on them as long as the ICU beds are at an unacceptable level of capacity. But we should face the reality that unvaccinated people will always be among us.

apexalpha 5y ago

Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could have known...). We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. Your politicians HAVE prepared the country. There is a VERY BASIC strategy: get your bloody shot!

shoto_io 5y ago
That's not a strategy, that's wishful thinking. We have a vaccination rate of not even 70%. AND: forgot to booster the old and still don’t manage to booster them effectively. That's a huge failure. Every manager would get fired for this. And then add to this that we have reduced capacities in hospitals compared to last year...