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Two Triple Vaccinated Israeli Doctors Infected with Omicron
- fauciisgay 5y agoDaily Reminder: Fauci is a bio-terrorist that used US taxpayer money to directly fund the Wuhan lab for gain-of-function research. Oh, he also likes to torture puppies cause he's that big of a piece of shit.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoThe media really needs to slow their roll, a lot. Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely, and this is absolutely not evidence that Omicron is more likely to lead to breakthrough infections. In fact it would only be actually newsworthy if Omicron _didn’t_ break through. And the pointless emotional fact that they are doctors, as if any virus considers ones CV. And the excessive use of “probably” in this story. I get that COVID was a ~bane~ (I meant boon) for the news industry and that people scared shitless are more likely to click but this shit is getting borderline irresponsible.
- abduhl 5y agoI disagree that COVID was a bane for the news industry - I think it’s been a great boon to them. People locked down in their apartments with nothing else to do but refresh news sites and Twitter and have their chosen news network tell them how the other side is making it worse, all against the backdrop of an election? This is modern media’s wet dream and they’ve pounced on it.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoFuck I mixed up my banes and boons. In my defense I’m a tad drunk and ran out of cocaine
- sushsjsuauahab 5y agoThis isn't helping your credibility.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoYou’d be shocked to learn how much you consider credible was discovered, discussed or announced under the influence of either alcohol or cocaine.. or both.
- glitchc 5y agoThat’s a definite bane.. er, boon.
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- lupinglade 5y agoBorderline? It's far beyond that by now.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoI know this is gonna sound extremely un-American, but nothing has made me despise free speech more than the past year. Media companies running blatantly false or libelous articles pushing the states agenda. Or touting hearsay spoken by some random twitter user as fact fanning flames of witch hunting for peoples jobs all based off of pure speculation and rumor. Our media companies either need to be reigned in, or just completely restructured in terms of what their first amendment rights are.
- colechristensen 5y agoVery few people have been talking about it responsibly throughout the course. It’s become a weird morality issue and anyone taking about it from that position is adding to the problem regardless of moral stance, and the morality isn’t even being done correctly focusing on the actual issues. I guess it’s just a symptom of the attention economy and the bad state of education and ability for independent thought everywhere.
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- PraetorianGourd 5y agoDisease has always been viewed through a moral lens. Plague was from sin, aids was from sin. We have always judged the sick through a moral lens and only through hindsight do we see how terrible that was. And then we repeat the same mistake. I am confident that the people giving out so called “Herman Cain Awards” for COVID will be judged as harshly as we judge those who called HIV the gay plague.
- brohoolio 5y agoIt’s possible. My understanding though is that “Hermain Cain Awards” go out to folks who fall into several categories. They deny the virus exists/ is dangerous. They don’t take precautions, like masks or get vaccinated. The advocate against folks who get vaccinated calling them “sheep” or other names. On one hand, many of these folks have fallen victim to disinformation and one political party in America that’s trying to actively hurt them for some sort of gain. So yea maybe it’s not their fault. On the other hand, my friend got accosted trying to get his kiddo vaxxed by one of these folks. Not cool.
- afavour 5y ago> I am confident that the people giving out so called “Herman Cain Awards” for COVID will be judged as harshly as we judge those who called HIV the gay plague. I’m not so sure. If there were a safe, free and widely available vaccine for HIV and gay men were going out of their way to shout about not taking it then I think the situation may have been comparable.
- shusaku 5y agoReuters is just reporting an event. Nobody goes to the front page of Reuters to see what stories are important. It’s aggregators like… hacker news… that are fanning the flames.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoReuters used to represent a “just the facts” news wire. But now it just isn’t. Yes this is an event in the same way that someone relapsing in cancer is an event. It alone is pointless and does not a trend make.
- bmarquez 5y ago> Reuters used to represent a "just the facts" news wire. After reading the article I'm still not seeing the problem. The sentences in the article are factual information, there is no obvious editorial bias like a CNN or Fox article, and there is nothing telling you how to feel (e.g. "You should be afraid" NYT title). Reuters still seems pretty good compared to what's available out there.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoPublishing the story is itself an editorial decision.
- nathanaldensr 5y agoAre you asking for self-censorship of facts?
- trobertson 5y agoFrom the GP: > Two people having breakthrough infections for any variant is not at all unlikely The point is that this fact isn't newsworthy... unless Reuters is running an agenda. This article is blatant fearmongering.
- poorjohnmacafee 5y agoBoth my parents, sister, and a slew of friends and co-workers have had "breakthrough infections" from covid, I'm not really sure (if you're not getting boosters) whether you even have protection from regular let alone Omicron at this point.
- jewelry 5y agoThat only means you're in the place with a lot virus flowing around, nothing else. Vaccine stimulate your immune system to lower the chance to get infected, and even if infected much lower chance to get severely damaged.
- ComputerGuru 5y agoI’m not sure your explanation is sound. Studies have shown doctors/nurses get sick (pre-Covid) at more or less the same rate as the rest of the population, despite increased exposure to circulating colds and flus. Explanations ranged from “they get vaccinated more” to “background exposure to very low payloads primes the immune system and keeps them healthier.”
- gls2ro 5y agoI am thinking that maybe doctors/nurses have two factors that cancel out so it makes their infected numbers look like the rest of the population: - higher exposure but also - better, and stricter safety measures that are really followed
- poorjohnmacafee 5y agoI hate to put it in these terms, but do you have credible peer reviewed literature on this claim? What you're saying is exactly what state media & state authorities started espousing after everyone realized the vaccine didn't offer the protection everyone had assumed and been promised. I'm wondering if there is any actual evidence for their claims or if it's just saving face and moving goal posts.
- bserge 5y agoWay too late. Things have been getting better, yet according to the media the world is literal Hell for decades. Nothing is factual reporting anymore, everything has to have some angle, the more negative emotions it triggers, the better. "News" is only negative, because reporting on postive stuff was how the commies did propaganda or something. Social Media just made it worse, now you have millions of people "reporting the news", the same way they learned from traditional media. Fuck it all.
- zenplant 5y agoAs a counterpoint I wonder how many thousands of lives we could have/would have saved if we reported on delta with the same type of urgency. We don't have the facts yet, and every story I've seen underscores that point. But to just say "we don't know so let's ignore it entirely until we do" seems to minimize the deadliness of the past mutations we've seen.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoIt is just as irresponsible to say “we don’t have all the facts… but it could render vaccines useless and reinfect everyone and spread like measles and kill like small pox”. Ignoring it is irresponsible. Panicking is irresponsible. This isn’t a difficult or new concept! Each year the flu is a new “variant” and every single year it has the _potential_ to be 1918 all over again. But we don’t close borders and force quarantine until we have proof it isn’t 1918 bad. We study it, we prepare vaccines and we take reasonable precautions
- zenplant 5y agoI think our top doctor here in bc said it wonderfully. We must anticipate and plan for the worst even as we hope for the best. It isn't asking for much after what we've been through to go a month with more caution. If we had a 1918 flu, and then another strain worse than that within 2 years, of course we might take some precautions when we find a 3rd strain overtaking the 2nd strain.
- jdhn 5y agoHow is this news? We've known for some time that the vaccines are leaky, and they appear to be working in regards to keeping the doctors out of the hospital and only afflicted with mild symptoms.
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoWe've entered a culture fueled by indignation, where every apparent slight contradiction is waved like a flag and denounced as a conspiracy. Reality is nuanced. That's all been lost in public discourse. Because there's no thrill in that.
- taylodl 5y ago> Because there's no thrill in that No, it's because there's no political gain in that. This is a result of politicizing everything.
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoNot why the rank and file do it. It may be politically related, but most folks are just essentially trolling. It's become a national pastime
- taylodl 5y agoTrolling as a national pastime - I think you're onto something!
- officialjunk 5y agoi agree with you, but i am having a lot of difficulty convincing most people i know that the current vaccines are leaky. i find most people still consider the current vaccines to neutralize the virus and they often begin to question why i don't understand how vaccines work...
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoExactly. To be perfectly honest, if Omicron had 100% breakthrough rate but still was 95% effective at preventing severe disease and hospitalization, that is still amazing. In the developed world where vaccines are incredibly easy to obtain, we need to move on. Yes we need to protect the people who can’t receive a vaccine, and we need to help the world distribute the vaccine but we need to stop this constant state of emergency
- 1cvmask 5y agoMy favorite part is the invocation of counter-terrorism measures: Israel shut its borders to foreigners from all countries for 14 days on Saturday to try to contain the spread of Omicron and has reintroduced counter-terrorism phone-tracking technology to trace contacts of a handful of people who have likely been infected.
- azernik 5y ago"Counterterrorism measures" is a weird way for Reuters to phrase it - gives the impression that what's "counter-terrorism" is the legal authority, when it's the technology that's "counter-terrorism". But perhaps I'm wrong about the most likely public reading. (Specifically - the security services' surveillance systems are flipped on for the entire domestic Israeli cell network, and known infected people's cell phone tower data handed over to the Ministry of Health along with that of uninfected people they were near.)
- busymom0 5y agoRelated NYTimes: > Israel's domestic intelligence agency has been granted temporary permission to access the phone data of people in the country with confirmed cases of the Omicron variant for contact tracing. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1465439194575253514 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1465439194575253514
- sfmayorloser 5y agoGeT yOur VacCiNe! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
- sfmayorloser 5y agoI thought vaccines work to stop the transmission/infection? Why should we get a vax or show a passport if the vax doesn't fucking work? How much Fauci cock can you suck on one given day?
- slater 5y agogive it a rest already...
- fauciisgay 5y agoWhy don't you give it a rest already. We've put up with your NAZI BULLSHIT for THREE FUCKING YEARS now!
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoAssuming you aren’t a troll, nobody has ever said that the vaccine was 100% effective and anyone who you may claim said so was lying. And Fauci is nearly 80 I assume he would rather eat dinner at 4 PM and watch Jeopardy than have me fellate him
- sfmayorloser 5y agoI'm just glad that we have a mayor in San Francisco that obeys the facts and science and chooses to obey the indoor mask mandate inside our fair and not trashy at all city: https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1464870926634213378 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1464870926634213378
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoYes, London Breed is tool and represents the worst of “do as I say not as I do” culture but what does the mayor of SF have to do with Israel? Seriously man, if you are going to troll, be better at it. Nuance is the oxygen of comedy
- fauciisgay 5y agoSeriously man, if you are going to defend covidian propaganda be better at it otherwise change your username to Joseph Goebbels.
- crackercrews 5y ago> The two doctors had received three doses of the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, and so far have shown mild COVID-19 symptoms, the hospital said. The mildness of the symptoms is just as newsworthy as the fact that there are breakthrough infections. It has long been speculated that COVID-19 would evolve into more contagious but less virulent variants. Omicron may be one such variant. If it is, that's probably a good thing. Wouldn't it be great if a vaccinated person could get omicron, have a mild illness, and then have even stronger immunity against other variants?
- halfmatthalfcat 5y agoThe bigger fear though is in the unvaccinated. Read news coming out of Israel that R has increased by 1.3x and severity (not sure how that's measured) has increased by 2.4x over Delta [1]. [1] https://tinyurl.com/yckjcmzu https://tinyurl.com/yckjcmzu
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoThat may turn out to be true but there is absolutely no way they have enough data to make such claims yet. To do so is irresponsible at best
- halfmatthalfcat 5y agoI agree, it's up to anyone consuming sources to decide for themselves based on available evidence.
- PraetorianGourd 5y agoRight, but anyone who takes a position yet should be dismissed without prejudice. The default, null hypothesis is that Omicron is exactly as virulent and deadly as the current baseline, Delta. Anything else is bullshit for now and anyone who claims to have data contra that null hypothesis is lying
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- fauciisgay 5y agoPeople don't seem to like the facts and science on this forum. They'd rather celebrate pedophiles and bio-terrorists.
- whalesalad 5y agoI’m ready to go live off-grid in a cabin in the woods.
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- ffwacom 5y agoLol should’ve quadruple vaxxed.
- wanderingmind 5y agoWhy is this news other than to create hype? The data always indicated that you can get infected even if you are vaccinated and you can still spread. The only reduction was in severe symptoms and hospitalization. Are these doctors sick and hospitalized or in ICU? This scaremongering is getting very tiring.