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Germany does not like anything non-profit security related. A few years back they raided a German host of the Riseup email service due to some alleged online t

Germany does not like anything non-profit security related. A few years back they raided a German host of the Riseup email service due to some alleged online threat [0] They didn't just stop there, they also moved on to the nearby CCC maker space, for which they didn't even have a permit, and also raided that. Among the things they found there was 3D printers, chemicals to feed said 3D printer, and a small 3D printed model of the Hiroshima nuclear bomb. They confiscated all of that under the suspected offense of "trying to create an explosive device" [1] Can't make this stuff up, reality is stranger than fiction. [0] https://www.golem.de/news/zwiebelfreunde-polizei-durchsucht-raeume-von-tor-aktivisten-1807-135310.html https://www.golem.de/news/zwiebelfreunde-polizei-durchsucht-... [1] https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/hausdurchsuchungen-bei-netzaktivisten-chaos-computer-club-kritisiert-polizeivorgehen-a-1216463.html https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/hausdurchsuchungen-bei-n...

nix23 5y ago
Yeah Germany is terrible, they buy'd NSO licenses because their own bundes-troyaner is bullshit, every second year they want to introduce "child safety measures" aka you need to identify yourself so you can browse anything else then the lego website, and many many more examples...just like this one, germany is a shame in this regard. But Julia Reda, the CCC and netzpolitik.org are just great!
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > every second year they want to introduce "child safety measures" It's always the same excuse every single time. I have to wonder if this stuff actually protects children.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    12 years olds will always have more digital competency in evading such barriers than their parents, even the newer smartphone and tablet generations.
  - nix23 5y ago
    Look i am absolutely not against protecting children's from harmful stuff, but it has to be the other way around, it's not like i had to insert my ID card into the DVD player too show that i am this old...NO you put the DVD's away your children's are not supposed to watch. I have a new revolutionary idea....setup internet filters ON your children's devices, and there are tons of websites with pre made filters (often every country has his own) and even crazier most ISP/Routers already have them implemented, on the Mobile-phones you setup VPN (back to your home-router (also already implemented from most ISP's) so even the Phones have those filters) ;) Too much work?* Then shut up talking about protecting your/our children's, and let them browse every f*ing social media network including 4chan, tictok and that terrible facebook owned thing. *Not talking to the parent obviously, but to everyone who thinks it should be any other way.*****
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      Most of us probably looked at questionable content while juvenile. People are still living but if some people knew what people watched at a maybe too young age it would spawn the holy inquisition of angry parents. Glad that they currently focus on the school system. You cannot make the internet child safe, the only point of influence is what you suggested, which means parents need to get informed here. Maybe through schools of their kids. I won't stop the government from trying though, especially the German one, which brought us presents like NetzDG. Really popular export and inspiration for dictators around the world.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      That's the proper way to do it. I'm convinced that these laws are just a pretext for government surveillance. Opposing them is political suicide since it makes people look like pedophiles.
      - nix23 5y ago
        >Opposing them is political suicide since it makes people look like pedophiles. Exactly that's the trick, not sure about the downvotes you get, but let's say in the 60', against that anti-freedom of expression/opinion?..you have to be a communist. Against Homeland security after 9/11? You have to be a terrorist, against total surveillance? Do you have something to hide? Against Apples photo scanner? Why do you have child-porn on it? And finally against destroying jews-owned shops...well we know the answer....
nisa 5y ago
> A few years back they raided a German host of the Riseup email service due to some alleged online threat Much worse than that, they raided the private home of one of the members of the nonprofit organization Zwiebelfreunde that passes on donations to riseup and runs a few tor exit nodes. That person has kids and family, he couldn't even work because they took all the hardware.
lvncelot 5y ago
This year, the CDU (center-right christian party) filed charges against Lilith Wittmann, who notified the CDU about a data leak concerning their election campaign app, which exposed personal data of 500,000 people. Data such as city of residence, street, age, gender and political opinions. [1] [1] https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/the-cdus-leaky-campaign-app-li.176310 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/the-cdus-leaky-campaign-a...
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Isn't this just like how BAFIN filed a lawsuit against financial journalists who were reporting on the Wirecard fraud instead of going after Wirecard? Seems like government assisted bullying is the default M.O. in Germany if you're the little guy and happen to step on the toes of the rich and powerful. IMHO, in this regard, Germany is way worse than the US.
  - nix23 5y ago
    >Seems like government sponsored bullying is the default M.O. in Germany. Yes it is, it's a bit like the CCP, if they think it's anything against them (truthfully or not) they bite first and second, then stop talking about it and hope everyone forgets. Works pretty well for everyone directly involved...so no pressure to change anything.
    - llampx 5y ago
      The media is also very pro-government so that helps.
      - gutitout 5y ago
        They seem to work together.
  - arlcode 5y ago
    Small correction, it would have been the BAFIN (banking regulator) and not the BAMS (migration office)
Scoundreller 5y ago
> and a small 3D printed model of the Hiroshima nuclear bomb. Any idea when we can suggest the Germans have a sense of humour?
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
While that may be true regarding Germany, and it's understanding of Cyber by law and politicians in general, Hamburg is really special. Special as in consecutively used as free haven for any clown to have their ridiculous claims pushed through by clowns. To be canceled by the next instance higher up, often. I can't decide if I should laugh, or cry :-( This gives such a bad image. They should be ashamed!

nix23 5y ago

Yeah Germany is terrible, they buy'd NSO licenses because their own bundes-troyaner is bullshit, every second year they want to introduce "child safety measures" aka you need to identify yourself so you can browse anything else then the lego website, and many many more examples...just like this one, germany is a shame in this regard. But Julia Reda, the CCC and netzpolitik.org are just great!

matheusmoreira 5y ago
> every second year they want to introduce "child safety measures" It's always the same excuse every single time. I have to wonder if this stuff actually protects children.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  12 years olds will always have more digital competency in evading such barriers than their parents, even the newer smartphone and tablet generations.
- nix23 5y ago
  Look i am absolutely not against protecting children's from harmful stuff, but it has to be the other way around, it's not like i had to insert my ID card into the DVD player too show that i am this old...NO you put the DVD's away your children's are not supposed to watch. I have a new revolutionary idea....setup internet filters ON your children's devices, and there are tons of websites with pre made filters (often every country has his own) and even crazier most ISP/Routers already have them implemented, on the Mobile-phones you setup VPN (back to your home-router (also already implemented from most ISP's) so even the Phones have those filters) ;) Too much work?* Then shut up talking about protecting your/our children's, and let them browse every f*ing social media network including 4chan, tictok and that terrible facebook owned thing. *Not talking to the parent obviously, but to everyone who thinks it should be any other way.*****
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Most of us probably looked at questionable content while juvenile. People are still living but if some people knew what people watched at a maybe too young age it would spawn the holy inquisition of angry parents. Glad that they currently focus on the school system. You cannot make the internet child safe, the only point of influence is what you suggested, which means parents need to get informed here. Maybe through schools of their kids. I won't stop the government from trying though, especially the German one, which brought us presents like NetzDG. Really popular export and inspiration for dictators around the world.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    That's the proper way to do it. I'm convinced that these laws are just a pretext for government surveillance. Opposing them is political suicide since it makes people look like pedophiles.
    - nix23 5y ago
      >Opposing them is political suicide since it makes people look like pedophiles. Exactly that's the trick, not sure about the downvotes you get, but let's say in the 60', against that anti-freedom of expression/opinion?..you have to be a communist. Against Homeland security after 9/11? You have to be a terrorist, against total surveillance? Do you have something to hide? Against Apples photo scanner? Why do you have child-porn on it? And finally against destroying jews-owned shops...well we know the answer....

nisa 5y ago

> A few years back they raided a German host of the Riseup email service due to some alleged online threat Much worse than that, they raided the private home of one of the members of the nonprofit organization Zwiebelfreunde that passes on donations to riseup and runs a few tor exit nodes. That person has kids and family, he couldn't even work because they took all the hardware.

lvncelot 5y ago

This year, the CDU (center-right christian party) filed charges against Lilith Wittmann, who notified the CDU about a data leak concerning their election campaign app, which exposed personal data of 500,000 people. Data such as city of residence, street, age, gender and political opinions. [1] [1] https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/the-cdus-leaky-campaign-app-li.176310 https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/en/the-cdus-leaky-campaign-a...

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Isn't this just like how BAFIN filed a lawsuit against financial journalists who were reporting on the Wirecard fraud instead of going after Wirecard? Seems like government assisted bullying is the default M.O. in Germany if you're the little guy and happen to step on the toes of the rich and powerful. IMHO, in this regard, Germany is way worse than the US.
- nix23 5y ago
  >Seems like government sponsored bullying is the default M.O. in Germany. Yes it is, it's a bit like the CCP, if they think it's anything against them (truthfully or not) they bite first and second, then stop talking about it and hope everyone forgets. Works pretty well for everyone directly involved...so no pressure to change anything.
  - llampx 5y ago
    The media is also very pro-government so that helps.
    - gutitout 5y ago
      They seem to work together.
- arlcode 5y ago
  Small correction, it would have been the BAFIN (banking regulator) and not the BAMS (migration office)

Scoundreller 5y ago

> and a small 3D printed model of the Hiroshima nuclear bomb. Any idea when we can suggest the Germans have a sense of humour?

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

While that may be true regarding Germany, and it's understanding of Cyber by law and politicians in general, Hamburg is really special. Special as in consecutively used as free haven for any clown to have their ridiculous claims pushed through by clowns. To be canceled by the next instance higher up, often. I can't decide if I should laugh, or cry :-( This gives such a bad image. They should be ashamed!