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4K monitors. You need a soundbar though or some kind of audio setup + remote. Also no built-in tuner or such but I assume you get a set top box from your servic

4K monitors. You need a soundbar though or some kind of audio setup + remote. Also no built-in tuner or such but I assume you get a set top box from your service provider or use a streaming device (Apple TV, Fire stick etc.) 4K OLED https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=7 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=7 4K IPS https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=2 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=2 4K VA https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=4 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=384002160&P=4 4K 55" or bigger monitors (there aren't many choices) https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=2,7,4&r=384002160&F=1397000000,1651000000 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=2,7,4&r=3840021... The 4K 55" OLED Alienware has speaker but I doubt that it is any good https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/new-alienware-55-oled-gaming-monitor-aw5520qf/apd/210-auds/monitors-monitor-accessories https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/new-alienware-55-oled-gaming... (actually comes with remote too) Linus made a video of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3oqktdx2a8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3oqktdx2a8 Last but not least you can go even higher resolution than 4K but these are all IPS only and they are not bigger than 34" https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=768004320,576002160,512002880,512002160,409602160,384002560 https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=768004320,57600...

bmitc 5y ago
4K OLED monitors are insanely expensive. You can get an LG 65" OLED TV for $1,800. The OLED computer monitors I have seen start at $4,000.
- aidenn0 5y ago
  AW5520QF (55" 120Hz) is on sale for $2500. That's getting down to about double the cost.
- matja 5y ago
  A Gigabyte FO48U (48" OLED, same LG panel as the C1) goes for around $1500
  - sliken 5y ago
    83% of the price for 54% of the area.
    - watersb 5y ago
      For use as a monitor, smaller panels may be more desirable, more pixels per unit area. I don't want a 72-inch wall monster. I'm going to be viewing it from about a meter from my face. But that's just my face. Other faces might work better.
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dr-detroit 5y ago
all it needs is a computer... then youre on the systemd botnet thats one hilarious tradeoff.
jjoonathan 5y ago
Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. Per the pcpartpicker link, maybe the Gigabyte FO48U will change that, but it's still out of stock. Besides, I feel like this has happened before with HDR and 4k and IPS. First it shows up in TVs, a year later it is cheap in TVs, a year later it is expensive in monitors, and finally it becomes cheap in monitors. But it takes years. Which seems odd, since surely they use the same panels? Is it an industry structure thing, where panel manufacturers integrate and co-develop with TV manufacturers but monitor manufacturers are separate, only get the panels after release, and need a year or three to turn things around?
- bsedlm 5y ago
  > Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? because there's more money to be made selling TVs than monitors? consequentely, it's TV manufacturers pushing the entire display maker industry ahead? and so they get the newer tech first??
  - jjoonathan 5y ago
    That's what I suspect, yes, but if that's the case it feels like integrating a monitor manufacturer would be a quick and easy business win for the TV guys.
    - antisthenes 5y ago
      > it feels like integrating a monitor manufacturer would be a quick and easy business win for the TV guys. What does this even mean? The same companies that make panels for monitors usually make panels for the TVs as well. They already have production facilities that can manufacture panel sizes ranging from cell-phone size to 200" commercial wall panels.
      - bluGill 5y ago
        Most people don't buy the volume to get a special size panel. Want a panel, you can save a ton of money buying one we already make. My company has obsoleted perfectly good embedded systems and had to redesign a new UI just because the panel we used went out of production. (I knew all along doing pixel perfect UI instead of one that scaled was a stupid idea, but I got overruled, now we spend a ton of money making our UI scale)
halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
It's amazing how much more expensive those are than traditional TVs, non-starter even.
- Wistar 5y ago
  Here's a nice NEC 220" display. Helpfully, BH offers monthly payments. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_fa012i2_220_220_diagonal_4k_uhd.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_f...
  - mjcohen 5y ago
    $317,999.00 $13250/mo. suggested payments with 24 Mos. Promo Financing* Learn More Important Notice This item is noncancelable and nonreturnable.
    - Wistar 5y ago
      Well… it is 18ft diagonally. Of course, you need a place capable of housing such a thing.
      - bin_bash 5y ago
        A stadium?
- danudey 5y ago
  Economies of scale, and subsidies. TVs that ship with Netflix buttons on the remote, Prime Video app, and built-in crappy ads all over the place are being subsidized by those companies. Meanwhile, no one is buying non-smart TVs, so lower quantities are more expensive. (Or they know that non-smart TVs are a niche product that they can charge more for.)
  - acchow 5y ago
    Netflix is paying to have the button on the remote? I actually thought it would be the other way around.
salamandersauce 5y ago
You can get OTA tuners for incredibly cheap. Like $30 for a basic one. These come with the bonus of allowing you to plug in a USB HDD and record live TV. For a little more you can get a HDHomeRun or Tablo and have a network connected tuner so you can stream live TV to tablets or phones and streaming boxes like the FireTV. Powered bookshelf speakers are also an alternative to soundbars. I personally use a monitor as a TV. One con is that some devices like the Fire Stick don't send HDMI display off signals but instead a black screen in sleep mode which wakes the monitor and keeps it on. You need a smart switch to easily turn it off.
- mikepurvis 5y ago
  I would assume most setups leveraging a monitor as the display would also be going through an AVR and that should take care of this kind of thing?
  - salamandersauce 5y ago
    Sound bars and powered speakers are also an option and don't require an AVR but also typically don't offer HDMI/AV pass-through at least on the cheaper side. Going the AVR route adds even more cost and more space as a decent sound bar or powered speaker set costs less then even a low-end AVR. I went the monitor route as I just don't have room for both a desktop PC setup and a TV. I do have an HDMI switch with audio extractor but that also picks up on the Fire TV stick and auto switches to it. TBH it's just a design flaw with the Fire TV and I really wish Amazon would fix it but I bet it saves them 7 cents or something to do it this way.
    - mikepurvis 5y ago
      That's good to know. I've been through a few units (Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo) and they really feel like the weakest link in my setup, with fussy menus and strange failure modes involving cryptic error codes— the Denon in particular would go into a fault state that was probably a thermal problem but might also have been a voltage regulation issue. It's definitely overkill given that I'm only driving stereo speakers anyway, so maybe next time I have issues I'll go this direction.
CapitalistCartr 5y ago
The price spread seems so drastic, more than four times. There is obviously much that I'm missing.
uyt 5y ago
With 4k monitors you usually pay a larger premium for latency, refresh rate, gsync/freesync, etc. All of which gamers care a lot about but are irrelevant for TVs.
- convery 5y ago
  Not really, just like TV's there's certainly a 'premium' range for those that are interested but there's a wide range or regular 'work' monitors. e.g. a few years ago I got a 43" 4K monitor with 10-bit colour-depth, 60Hz refresh, good local dimming etc. for $800. In OP's link for IPS, a monitor of the same size and brand that seems to be the next version after the one I got is $550. It's hardly a premium over a comparable TV.
  - bitwize 5y ago
    I got such a monitor earlier this year for around $600. It's amazing for work but could totally work as a television with an appropriate device connected, especially since it has decent, loud audio built in.
- deadmutex 5y ago
  Console gamers care about TV latency too.
lvass 5y ago
>Apple TV, Fire stick etc. That's just offloading the problem to a separate device.
- acomjean 5y ago
  I think they help by siloing the snooping. Our smart TV seems to actively try to figure out what is attached to the HDMI. Its probably reporting that back. At least every time I plug my notebook into the tv it seems to wait at least 20 seconds before forcing me to select "PC" as the input device. The old tv the notebook shows up instantaneously.
femto113 5y ago
Another approach is to look not for things advertised as "monitors" but instead look for "digital signage"[1]. Nowadays most of these contain some networking features but they'll be oriented at local control (i.e. by you via something on your LAN), not some third-party control center accessed via the internet. Anecdotally this is the approach I took ~20 years ago when buying a (then slightly exotic) plasma flatscreen from Panasonic. It is still working flawlessly today, though I keep hoping it will die so I can guiltlessly replace it with something newer/bigger/higher-resolution. [1] A random example https://www.usa.philips.com/p-p/86BDL3050Q_00/signage-solutions-q-line-display https://www.usa.philips.com/p-p/86BDL3050Q_00/signage-soluti...
- beyondzero 5y ago
  Challenges are features like HDR and having four HDMI inputs. Planar makes incredible and also expensive displays for the commercial market. They offer a "luxury living" solution but the smallest is 100". https://www.planar.com/markets/luxury-living/ https://www.planar.com/markets/luxury-living/
- bentcorner 5y ago
  Digital signage is good but from my understanding (and I could be wrong) probably over-engineered for home usage. They're intended to be powered on 24x7, and last a long time. Probably more resistant to burn-in too. All of which is good, but if your use case isn't so intensive you could get by with something lower-end. (Especially if you want to eventually replace the device and are looking for an excuse ;) )
  - femto113 5y ago
    My direct experience is somewhat out of date, but from an engineering perspective the unit I have is much simpler than any TV, since it lacks a tuner or any fancy video scaling capability, and has no audio capability of any kind (that was a feature to me, since I use an A/V Receiver for sound). I think in general screens meant for signage are probably brighter than most TVs/monitors, but depending on the room that could be a useful feature as well.
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bmitc 5y ago

4K OLED monitors are insanely expensive. You can get an LG 65" OLED TV for $1,800. The OLED computer monitors I have seen start at $4,000.

aidenn0 5y ago
AW5520QF (55" 120Hz) is on sale for $2500. That's getting down to about double the cost.
matja 5y ago
A Gigabyte FO48U (48" OLED, same LG panel as the C1) goes for around $1500
- sliken 5y ago
  83% of the price for 54% of the area.
  - watersb 5y ago
    For use as a monitor, smaller panels may be more desirable, more pixels per unit area. I don't want a 72-inch wall monster. I'm going to be viewing it from about a meter from my face. But that's just my face. Other faces might work better.
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dr-detroit 5y ago

all it needs is a computer... then youre on the systemd botnet thats one hilarious tradeoff.

jjoonathan 5y ago

Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. Per the pcpartpicker link, maybe the Gigabyte FO48U will change that, but it's still out of stock. Besides, I feel like this has happened before with HDR and 4k and IPS. First it shows up in TVs, a year later it is cheap in TVs, a year later it is expensive in monitors, and finally it becomes cheap in monitors. But it takes years. Which seems odd, since surely they use the same panels? Is it an industry structure thing, where panel manufacturers integrate and co-develop with TV manufacturers but monitor manufacturers are separate, only get the panels after release, and need a year or three to turn things around?

bsedlm 5y ago
> Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? because there's more money to be made selling TVs than monitors? consequentely, it's TV manufacturers pushing the entire display maker industry ahead? and so they get the newer tech first??
- jjoonathan 5y ago
  That's what I suspect, yes, but if that's the case it feels like integrating a monitor manufacturer would be a quick and easy business win for the TV guys.
  - antisthenes 5y ago
    > it feels like integrating a monitor manufacturer would be a quick and easy business win for the TV guys. What does this even mean? The same companies that make panels for monitors usually make panels for the TVs as well. They already have production facilities that can manufacture panel sizes ranging from cell-phone size to 200" commercial wall panels.
    - bluGill 5y ago
      Most people don't buy the volume to get a special size panel. Want a panel, you can save a ton of money buying one we already make. My company has obsoleted perfectly good embedded systems and had to redesign a new UI just because the panel we used went out of production. (I knew all along doing pixel perfect UI instead of one that scaled was a stupid idea, but I got overruled, now we spend a ton of money making our UI scale)

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago

It's amazing how much more expensive those are than traditional TVs, non-starter even.

Wistar 5y ago
Here's a nice NEC 220" display. Helpfully, BH offers monthly payments. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_fa012i2_220_220_diagonal_4k_uhd.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_f...
- mjcohen 5y ago
  $317,999.00 $13250/mo. suggested payments with 24 Mos. Promo Financing* Learn More Important Notice This item is noncancelable and nonreturnable.
  - Wistar 5y ago
    Well… it is 18ft diagonally. Of course, you need a place capable of housing such a thing.
    - bin_bash 5y ago
      A stadium?
danudey 5y ago
Economies of scale, and subsidies. TVs that ship with Netflix buttons on the remote, Prime Video app, and built-in crappy ads all over the place are being subsidized by those companies. Meanwhile, no one is buying non-smart TVs, so lower quantities are more expensive. (Or they know that non-smart TVs are a niche product that they can charge more for.)
- acchow 5y ago
  Netflix is paying to have the button on the remote? I actually thought it would be the other way around.

salamandersauce 5y ago

You can get OTA tuners for incredibly cheap. Like $30 for a basic one. These come with the bonus of allowing you to plug in a USB HDD and record live TV. For a little more you can get a HDHomeRun or Tablo and have a network connected tuner so you can stream live TV to tablets or phones and streaming boxes like the FireTV. Powered bookshelf speakers are also an alternative to soundbars. I personally use a monitor as a TV. One con is that some devices like the Fire Stick don't send HDMI display off signals but instead a black screen in sleep mode which wakes the monitor and keeps it on. You need a smart switch to easily turn it off.

mikepurvis 5y ago
I would assume most setups leveraging a monitor as the display would also be going through an AVR and that should take care of this kind of thing?
- salamandersauce 5y ago
  Sound bars and powered speakers are also an option and don't require an AVR but also typically don't offer HDMI/AV pass-through at least on the cheaper side. Going the AVR route adds even more cost and more space as a decent sound bar or powered speaker set costs less then even a low-end AVR. I went the monitor route as I just don't have room for both a desktop PC setup and a TV. I do have an HDMI switch with audio extractor but that also picks up on the Fire TV stick and auto switches to it. TBH it's just a design flaw with the Fire TV and I really wish Amazon would fix it but I bet it saves them 7 cents or something to do it this way.
  - mikepurvis 5y ago
    That's good to know. I've been through a few units (Denon, Pioneer, Onkyo) and they really feel like the weakest link in my setup, with fussy menus and strange failure modes involving cryptic error codes— the Denon in particular would go into a fault state that was probably a thermal problem but might also have been a voltage regulation issue. It's definitely overkill given that I'm only driving stereo speakers anyway, so maybe next time I have issues I'll go this direction.

CapitalistCartr 5y ago

The price spread seems so drastic, more than four times. There is obviously much that I'm missing.

uyt 5y ago

With 4k monitors you usually pay a larger premium for latency, refresh rate, gsync/freesync, etc. All of which gamers care a lot about but are irrelevant for TVs.

convery 5y ago
Not really, just like TV's there's certainly a 'premium' range for those that are interested but there's a wide range or regular 'work' monitors. e.g. a few years ago I got a 43" 4K monitor with 10-bit colour-depth, 60Hz refresh, good local dimming etc. for $800. In OP's link for IPS, a monitor of the same size and brand that seems to be the next version after the one I got is $550. It's hardly a premium over a comparable TV.
- bitwize 5y ago
  I got such a monitor earlier this year for around $600. It's amazing for work but could totally work as a television with an appropriate device connected, especially since it has decent, loud audio built in.
deadmutex 5y ago
Console gamers care about TV latency too.

lvass 5y ago

>Apple TV, Fire stick etc. That's just offloading the problem to a separate device.

acomjean 5y ago
I think they help by siloing the snooping. Our smart TV seems to actively try to figure out what is attached to the HDMI. Its probably reporting that back. At least every time I plug my notebook into the tv it seems to wait at least 20 seconds before forcing me to select "PC" as the input device. The old tv the notebook shows up instantaneously.

femto113 5y ago

Another approach is to look not for things advertised as "monitors" but instead look for "digital signage"[1]. Nowadays most of these contain some networking features but they'll be oriented at local control (i.e. by you via something on your LAN), not some third-party control center accessed via the internet. Anecdotally this is the approach I took ~20 years ago when buying a (then slightly exotic) plasma flatscreen from Panasonic. It is still working flawlessly today, though I keep hoping it will die so I can guiltlessly replace it with something newer/bigger/higher-resolution. [1] A random example https://www.usa.philips.com/p-p/86BDL3050Q_00/signage-solutions-q-line-display https://www.usa.philips.com/p-p/86BDL3050Q_00/signage-soluti...

beyondzero 5y ago
Challenges are features like HDR and having four HDMI inputs. Planar makes incredible and also expensive displays for the commercial market. They offer a "luxury living" solution but the smallest is 100". https://www.planar.com/markets/luxury-living/ https://www.planar.com/markets/luxury-living/
bentcorner 5y ago
Digital signage is good but from my understanding (and I could be wrong) probably over-engineered for home usage. They're intended to be powered on 24x7, and last a long time. Probably more resistant to burn-in too. All of which is good, but if your use case isn't so intensive you could get by with something lower-end. (Especially if you want to eventually replace the device and are looking for an excuse ;) )
- femto113 5y ago
  My direct experience is somewhat out of date, but from an engineering perspective the unit I have is much simpler than any TV, since it lacks a tuner or any fancy video scaling capability, and has no audio capability of any kind (that was a feature to me, since I use an A/V Receiver for sound). I think in general screens meant for signage are probably brighter than most TVs/monitors, but depending on the room that could be a useful feature as well.
- 5y ago