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OK. So why are governments going to mandate these "vaccines"? Remember the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine to account for these not preventing illne

OK. So why are governments going to mandate these "vaccines"? Remember the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine to account for these not preventing illness. Source: https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1435606845926871041 https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/14356068459268710...

xg15 5y ago
Can you explain what exactly is the difference between those definitions? And yes. Covid vaccines don't prevent the virus from spreading, as much as we had hoped they do. This has been communicated extensively. What they still do is reduce probability of spreading and reduce probability of a hospitalisation. The former means there are still chances at obtaining herd immunity, it just raises the bar for it. The latter means that vaccines are still important to keep hospitals from being overrun.
- angelzen 5y ago
  CDC deleted the expression "to produce immunity to a specific disease" from the vaccine definition, but still defines: "Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
  - xg15 5y ago
    Ok, that makes sense. The Covid vaccines don't prevent infection in many cases (though they make infection less likely). That's not a secret.
    - Tagbert 5y ago
      All the change in definition did was acknowledge that no vaccine is 100% certain of preventing infection. The previous definition could be interpreted as claiming that.
- nradov 5y ago
  There is no chance of obtaining herd immunity through vaccination. Everyone will be exposed eventually. Fortunately the vaccines are pretty effective at preventing deaths. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
  - xg15 5y ago
    Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. Not a virologist, but I'm still hoping the virus can be cornered after a few more rounds of mutation/vaccine cat-and-mouse - the spike protein cannot mutate arbitrarily as it still has to be able to perform its primary function, i.e. breaking into cells.
    - nradov 5y ago
      I don't know what you mean by "cornered". Eventually everyone will be infected. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
    - NoPie 5y ago
      This didn't age well ;)
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
> OK. So why are governments going to mandate these "vaccines"? Remember the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine to account for these not preventing illness. Keeping people out of hospitals and ICUs so that they can be used for other sick people is good enough to keep mandating the vaccines. > Remember the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine to account for these not preventing illness. No, almost all vaccines have prevents rates that are well below 100%. The flu vaccine, for example, is only about 60% effective, and it doesn't take the bite off anyone who actually gets the flu (one reason it probably isn't mandated). The CDC probably changes language because there are lots of people out there that interpret language differently from other people. They want precise meaning on vaccine precise results, whereas vaccines have never provided precise results. Such literalists are really becoming the bane of society these days.

xg15 5y ago

Can you explain what exactly is the difference between those definitions? And yes. Covid vaccines don't prevent the virus from spreading, as much as we had hoped they do. This has been communicated extensively. What they still do is reduce probability of spreading and reduce probability of a hospitalisation. The former means there are still chances at obtaining herd immunity, it just raises the bar for it. The latter means that vaccines are still important to keep hospitals from being overrun.

angelzen 5y ago
CDC deleted the expression "to produce immunity to a specific disease" from the vaccine definition, but still defines: "Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected." https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
- xg15 5y ago
  Ok, that makes sense. The Covid vaccines don't prevent infection in many cases (though they make infection less likely). That's not a secret.
  - Tagbert 5y ago
    All the change in definition did was acknowledge that no vaccine is 100% certain of preventing infection. The previous definition could be interpreted as claiming that.
nradov 5y ago
There is no chance of obtaining herd immunity through vaccination. Everyone will be exposed eventually. Fortunately the vaccines are pretty effective at preventing deaths. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
- xg15 5y ago
  Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info. Not a virologist, but I'm still hoping the virus can be cornered after a few more rounds of mutation/vaccine cat-and-mouse - the spike protein cannot mutate arbitrarily as it still has to be able to perform its primary function, i.e. breaking into cells.
  - nradov 5y ago
    I don't know what you mean by "cornered". Eventually everyone will be infected. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
  - NoPie 5y ago
    This didn't age well ;)

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

> OK. So why are governments going to mandate these "vaccines"? Remember the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine to account for these not preventing illness. Keeping people out of hospitals and ICUs so that they can be used for other sick people is good enough to keep mandating the vaccines. > Remember the CDC had to change the definition of vaccine to account for these not preventing illness. No, almost all vaccines have prevents rates that are well below 100%. The flu vaccine, for example, is only about 60% effective, and it doesn't take the bite off anyone who actually gets the flu (one reason it probably isn't mandated). The CDC probably changes language because there are lots of people out there that interpret language differently from other people. They want precise meaning on vaccine precise results, whereas vaccines have never provided precise results. Such literalists are really becoming the bane of society these days.