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It's too late already. I get what you were saying but the emotion and anger are going to be what people remember not what he did or said. He's tried to serve

by JPKab 5y ago

It's too late already. I get what you were saying but the emotion and anger are going to be what people remember not what he did or said. He's tried to serve two masters and he can't. Either you stick to your guns on making climate change the priority and you accept the fact that the public is going to be pissed at you when energy prices are much higher, or you simply focus on reducing energy prices at the expense of the climate. There is no middle ground on this. He's trying to find one and is going to fail. Prices will not be reduced and opening up the reserve will piss off the environmentalists. Let's be honest here: He doesn't really seem to be all there does he? At moments he is fully lucid and clearly in command but then at others he is asked about the same things he just spoke about a day before and says completely different things that sound like they were cooked up by his advisors. It reminds me of the way George w Bush behaved when he was being manipulated and advised by Karl Rove and company. The one difference is Biden's advanced age has made him come off even weirder. At times he has that behavior of a confused old man who lashes out in anger. Most of my family lives in Virginia and all of them except for my father voted for Biden and then voted for Glenn Youngkin as governor. They are working class people and have developed an increasing contempt for the Democratic party they voted for 12 months ago. They voted for him because they wanted normalcy and he's instead embraced the radicals who advise him. I have both Latino and Filipino in laws, and he has lost all of them. I've been a member of the Democratic party for over 20 years and this man has destroyed the entire brand. He's allowed Florida to be completely taken over by the GOP. He never should have run and the party never should have engineered the primary to cement his victory. He's too old and we all know it even if many of us won't admit it.

ericmay 5y ago
Hey definitely agree or sympathize with a lot of points here. > I've been a member of the Democratic party for over 20 years and this man has destroyed the entire brand Idk if I'd lay the blame solely at his feat, but in my view the incestiuous nature of the Democrats (running both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden) speaks volumes. There's no doubt in my mind Joe Biden loses the next election no matter who the Republicans run. If the Democrats were smart they'd run someone else.
- Workaccount2 5y ago
  The idiocy was having Kamala as VP to placate the wokies with her brown skin and female gender, with no mind payed to her past stances and policies.
- JPKab 5y ago
  I always assumed he was only running for 1 term. The pandemic unfortunately gave the Party elites full justification to hide the extent of Biden's decline from the public by giving a legitimate reason for him to not campaign. Campaigns are exhausting endeavors, and in the past have served as an informal filter to identify those who lack the physical and mental stamina to do the job. I used to do work in the Center for American Progress on a weekly basis. I know a lot of folks high up in the party (I did a lot of work for Obama's campaigns in 2008 and 2012), and let me be clear: NONE OF THEM think he's running again. And I'm talking about over a dozen people I know. If he runs again, it will be a shock to me. They were saying this before he even got elected. In the eyes of the Dem machine, he was always a one term option. They couldn't tell the public that, because like all party machines, they don't like or respect the voters.
- matwood 5y ago
  Veering way off topic now, but Biden's only hope IMO is if the GOP runs Trump again. The Democrats may coalesce around hate for Trump, but otherwise will likely be crushed in 2024. Also agree with your point about incestuous nature and quite frankly the self-owns Democrats do. Attacking other democrats who aren't woke enough, while the GOP is masterful at uniting the voter base around a couple key issues like abortion and guns (though the GOP has seen a bit of internal divide with Trump). Biden had an EV summit and only invited the top UAW staffed companies leaving out TSLA. Think what you want about TSLAs valuation and Elon, but how can anyone in the US have an EV summit and leave them out? Stuff like this is what sours middle of the road democrat voters. It's like the democrats want to lose elections.
  - syshum 5y ago
    >>though the GOP has seen a bit of internal divide with Trump Not really, the "Never Trumpers" in the past were called RINO's by most of the base anyway, they did not see eye to eye on most issues with the conservative base of the republican party. Infact I would say post trump the RINO / neocon wing if the Republican party LOST power, not gained any, as many of the would get an assist from libertarians that vote with republicans, however that wing of the part lost most of them as well. GOP is probably more unified today than it has been in a long time from what I can see
pow_pp_-1_v 5y ago
> Most of my family lives in Virginia and all of them except for my father voted for Biden and then voted for Glenn Youngkin as governor. They are working class people and have developed an increasing contempt for the Democratic party they voted for 12 months ago. They voted for him because they wanted normalcy and he's instead embraced the radicals who advise him. I have both Latino and Filipino in laws, and he has lost all of them. I am genuinely curious here: What did he do wrong? Which radicals advice did he listen to?

by JPKab 5y ago

ericmay 5y ago

Hey definitely agree or sympathize with a lot of points here. > I've been a member of the Democratic party for over 20 years and this man has destroyed the entire brand Idk if I'd lay the blame solely at his feat, but in my view the incestiuous nature of the Democrats (running both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden) speaks volumes. There's no doubt in my mind Joe Biden loses the next election no matter who the Republicans run. If the Democrats were smart they'd run someone else.

Workaccount2 5y ago
The idiocy was having Kamala as VP to placate the wokies with her brown skin and female gender, with no mind payed to her past stances and policies.
JPKab 5y ago
I always assumed he was only running for 1 term. The pandemic unfortunately gave the Party elites full justification to hide the extent of Biden's decline from the public by giving a legitimate reason for him to not campaign. Campaigns are exhausting endeavors, and in the past have served as an informal filter to identify those who lack the physical and mental stamina to do the job. I used to do work in the Center for American Progress on a weekly basis. I know a lot of folks high up in the party (I did a lot of work for Obama's campaigns in 2008 and 2012), and let me be clear: NONE OF THEM think he's running again. And I'm talking about over a dozen people I know. If he runs again, it will be a shock to me. They were saying this before he even got elected. In the eyes of the Dem machine, he was always a one term option. They couldn't tell the public that, because like all party machines, they don't like or respect the voters.
matwood 5y ago
Veering way off topic now, but Biden's only hope IMO is if the GOP runs Trump again. The Democrats may coalesce around hate for Trump, but otherwise will likely be crushed in 2024. Also agree with your point about incestuous nature and quite frankly the self-owns Democrats do. Attacking other democrats who aren't woke enough, while the GOP is masterful at uniting the voter base around a couple key issues like abortion and guns (though the GOP has seen a bit of internal divide with Trump). Biden had an EV summit and only invited the top UAW staffed companies leaving out TSLA. Think what you want about TSLAs valuation and Elon, but how can anyone in the US have an EV summit and leave them out? Stuff like this is what sours middle of the road democrat voters. It's like the democrats want to lose elections.
- syshum 5y ago
  >>though the GOP has seen a bit of internal divide with Trump Not really, the "Never Trumpers" in the past were called RINO's by most of the base anyway, they did not see eye to eye on most issues with the conservative base of the republican party. Infact I would say post trump the RINO / neocon wing if the Republican party LOST power, not gained any, as many of the would get an assist from libertarians that vote with republicans, however that wing of the part lost most of them as well. GOP is probably more unified today than it has been in a long time from what I can see

pow_pp_-1_v 5y ago

> Most of my family lives in Virginia and all of them except for my father voted for Biden and then voted for Glenn Youngkin as governor. They are working class people and have developed an increasing contempt for the Democratic party they voted for 12 months ago. They voted for him because they wanted normalcy and he's instead embraced the radicals who advise him. I have both Latino and Filipino in laws, and he has lost all of them. I am genuinely curious here: What did he do wrong? Which radicals advice did he listen to?