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Half Measure at best. If the US Federal Government wants to influence and bring down oil prices they need to stop with the moronic ban on new Pipelines, and ne

by syshum 5y ago

Half Measure at best. If the US Federal Government wants to influence and bring down oil prices they need to stop with the moronic ban on new Pipelines, and new Oil Leases. yes we need to "do something" about climate change, but that something is not ignoring the fact we need oil today, and we need price stability today People need to work, eat, and heat their homes today, and they need to do that with affordable energy when today means oil

adventured 5y ago
It's a fascinating thing to watch the new superpower, China, laugh at the world as they build new coal power plants as fast as they can, and import coal at record levels, while the US and the West broadly commit energy suicide. If the climate predictions are correct, China's explosion of emissions output will get a large share of humanity killed. But oh, we better make buildings in the US 2% more energy effecient, build back green! You know, because global climate change is local, not global, or something, uhm, yeah, because it's like sciences and stuffs, and don't worry about what China is doing because that's over there and we only have to worry about our greenness to save the country and the world. It's all bullshit. Just wait until you see the populist reaction that's coming up next. It's going to light Europe on fire, and possibly the US.
- scohesc 5y ago
  It's absolutely insane that people can't see the forest for the trees. The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally (no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense) compared to manufacturing powerhouses like China. If we want to control carbon output in manufacturing, doesn't it make the most sense to have the manufacturing based at home using domestic products/resources instead of playing this tangled web of (for example): "send raw iron from USA to China to process and then turn into heavy widgets, and then have them sold back to USA?" - Look at all the carbon output just purely _SHIPPING_ the product in it's various stages to other locations. With supply chain shortages, rampant inflation partially due to said supply shortages (along with the rampant "money printing"/quantitative easing the feds have done), resulting in more inflation and higher costs for all goods. Not encouraging or endorsing these views or opinions - but I really think there's going to be a "radical" change in politics - whether it's from the bottom up or the top down, we're going to have a lot more angry people soon and angry people are irrational.
  - imtringued 5y ago
    Have you ever looked at cumulative emissions? USA and Europe have polluted for two centuries while having much smaller populations.
    - yonaguska 5y ago
      And so the rest of the world needs to catch up? This makes no sense as a counter to the point that we can produce goods with less of an ecological impact than other countries right now. We can have climate "fairness" or actually reduce emissions, choose one.
    - scohesc 5y ago
      This is the same thing as trying to punish or denigrate people for the actions their (likely unrelated!) ancestors have done. Look forward, not backwards.
  - Aunche 5y ago
    > The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally The EU is making a lot of improvements, but the US, Australia, and Canada are still some of the world's largest emitters. > no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense This is nonsense. By that logic, it would be better if China were replaced with 5000 Qatars. If you don't think population is a good excuse for more greenhouse gas emissions, then you should be praising China because they're the only nation that limited population control.
- trasz 5y ago
  China is building new coal plants, sure, but they are also building a lot of clean energy sources, in particular nuclear power plants.
01100011 5y ago
I wish the left could be more pragmatic. It reminds me of how CA pols are ditching our current criminal justice approach of mass incarceration. Sure, get rid of it, but until you have something to replace it that actually works, you need to keep the old system in place.

by syshum 5y ago

adventured 5y ago

It's a fascinating thing to watch the new superpower, China, laugh at the world as they build new coal power plants as fast as they can, and import coal at record levels, while the US and the West broadly commit energy suicide. If the climate predictions are correct, China's explosion of emissions output will get a large share of humanity killed. But oh, we better make buildings in the US 2% more energy effecient, build back green! You know, because global climate change is local, not global, or something, uhm, yeah, because it's like sciences and stuffs, and don't worry about what China is doing because that's over there and we only have to worry about our greenness to save the country and the world. It's all bullshit. Just wait until you see the populist reaction that's coming up next. It's going to light Europe on fire, and possibly the US.

scohesc 5y ago
It's absolutely insane that people can't see the forest for the trees. The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally (no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense) compared to manufacturing powerhouses like China. If we want to control carbon output in manufacturing, doesn't it make the most sense to have the manufacturing based at home using domestic products/resources instead of playing this tangled web of (for example): "send raw iron from USA to China to process and then turn into heavy widgets, and then have them sold back to USA?" - Look at all the carbon output just purely _SHIPPING_ the product in it's various stages to other locations. With supply chain shortages, rampant inflation partially due to said supply shortages (along with the rampant "money printing"/quantitative easing the feds have done), resulting in more inflation and higher costs for all goods. Not encouraging or endorsing these views or opinions - but I really think there's going to be a "radical" change in politics - whether it's from the bottom up or the top down, we're going to have a lot more angry people soon and angry people are irrational.
- imtringued 5y ago
  Have you ever looked at cumulative emissions? USA and Europe have polluted for two centuries while having much smaller populations.
  - yonaguska 5y ago
    And so the rest of the world needs to catch up? This makes no sense as a counter to the point that we can produce goods with less of an ecological impact than other countries right now. We can have climate "fairness" or actually reduce emissions, choose one.
  - scohesc 5y ago
    This is the same thing as trying to punish or denigrate people for the actions their (likely unrelated!) ancestors have done. Look forward, not backwards.
- Aunche 5y ago
  > The western world has some of the lowest carbon output globally The EU is making a lot of improvements, but the US, Australia, and Canada are still some of the world's largest emitters. > no "per capita" stats please, we're looking at "% of global carbon output" which makes more sense This is nonsense. By that logic, it would be better if China were replaced with 5000 Qatars. If you don't think population is a good excuse for more greenhouse gas emissions, then you should be praising China because they're the only nation that limited population control.
trasz 5y ago
China is building new coal plants, sure, but they are also building a lot of clean energy sources, in particular nuclear power plants.

01100011 5y ago

I wish the left could be more pragmatic. It reminds me of how CA pols are ditching our current criminal justice approach of mass incarceration. Sure, get rid of it, but until you have something to replace it that actually works, you need to keep the old system in place.