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Photographers have a saying: The best camera is the one you have with you. I have a really nice camera with some excellent lenses, but my recent photos that I'

Photographers have a saying: The best camera is the one you have with you. I have a really nice camera with some excellent lenses, but my recent photos that I'm most proud of and enjoy the most were taken with my Galaxy Note 8, a several-year-old smartphone. Of course the kind of fresh fish you're talking about is far superior to the Costco bag of sockeye salmon I have in the freezer. But sometimes, it's getting near dinner time, and I don't have time to go shopping and just want some fish. Under those circumstances, the frozen fish hits the spot, and it is much better than the "supermarket fresh". But what do I know? If I'm near a McDonald's and craving a fish sandwich and there isn't a better option nearby, I just might stop in and get a Filet-O-Fish. It's nothing spectacular, but it is line-caught wild Alaskan pollock. Just be sure to order it without cheese. Because number one, American cheese on fish is gross. And number two, it means they have to make you a fresh sandwich and not give you a premade one. (Disclosure: I work for McDonald's, at least until the end of this month.)

urthor 5y ago
Isn't practically everything you see in a fish market flash frozen anyway? Afaik there's very little fresh fish going around, period. It's all frozen on the boat.
- Stratoscope 5y ago
  A friend told me that he never, ever eats frozen fish, but he does enjoy all varieties of sushi and sashimi, and he explained to me that those are never frozen. I tried to convince him otherwise, but never got anywhere. https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-sushi-sashimi-food-safety https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-...
  - mejutoco 5y ago
    In some places it is illegal _not_ to freeze the fish for sushi, to avoid anisakis (I don't know how it is enforced, though). source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202_850215.html https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202...
- raverbashing 5y ago
  We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites (Sure, it's not an issue if you cook it thoroughly before consumption, but still)
  - traceroute66 5y ago
    > We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites It depends where you are. If you are in a Western country, then yes, "sashimi grade fish" equals "frozen". If you are in Japan, then no. Its all to do with the understanding of fish and its handling. In the West its all commoditised, quantity over quality. In Japan, they have a deeply rooted fish culture, a focus on quality and are obsessive over food hygiene. So in Japan your sushi won't be pre-frozen, but it will have been meticulously inspected and prepared. Fun fact, salmon sushi/sashimi is a Western thing. The Japanese don't eat it because the parasite risk in Salmon is so much higher than any other fish. Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more.
    - the_af 5y ago
      > Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more. Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.
      - traceroute66 5y ago
        > Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical. FFS ! Did I ever say I travelled, or that anyone should travel to Japan every time ? No. Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. The quality of sushi and sahimi in the West is simply so poor compared to Japan I won't waste my money. That is what I am saying. I simply said I do not eat sushi and sashimi. I can fill my Japanese desires with other culinary aspects and save myself for as and when I might visit Japan.
        the_af 5y ago
- FishGuy 5y ago
  At least in the US, a significant amount of the fish you eat in high end restaurants, sushi restaurants and fish markets is never frozen. It is packed in ice and kept very cold, but not frozen. Supermarkets are more likely to stock frozen/previously frozen. Lots of commodity seafood is frozen when caught. Source: Spent a season offshore fishing for swordfish/tuna. Worked in the warehouses that unloaded and shipped the same. Drove the truck that delivered the fish.
  - urthor 5y ago
    Ah, the more you know. Fish guy has spoken I guess. At least for white fish.
traceroute66 5y ago
> American cheese on fish is gross American cheese is gross full stop. ;-) As is American chocolate.
- technothrasher 5y ago
  > As is American chocolate. You've been eating the wrong American chocolate. Hershey's isn't the end all and be all. There are plenty of good chocolate makers and even more good chocolatiers in the US, you just need to explore a bit. L.A. Burdick in New Hampshire, for example, makes really great chocolates, and has a nice wide range of single source bars made with beans from plantations all over the world.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    true of cheese as well. Tillamook in Oregon produces fantastic cheese (which is widely vended). The way I think about it is that the average american food is poorer than average european quality, but that our best producers make some of the best in the world.
- letitbeirie 5y ago
  My European friends: “Hersheys tastes like vomit.” The same people: “So I know it’s Halloween over there and um… can you send us some Reese’s cups?”
- Karunamon 5y ago
  European chocolate tastes dull. Snark aside, it's about what you grew up with. Fascinating video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44svaQc5WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44svaQc5WY
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- CRConrad 5y ago
  >> American cheese on fish is gross > American cheese is gross full stop. ;-) Cheese on fish is gross full stop. > As is American chocolate. Particularly on fish, I'd guess.

urthor 5y ago

Isn't practically everything you see in a fish market flash frozen anyway? Afaik there's very little fresh fish going around, period. It's all frozen on the boat.

Stratoscope 5y ago
A friend told me that he never, ever eats frozen fish, but he does enjoy all varieties of sushi and sashimi, and he explained to me that those are never frozen. I tried to convince him otherwise, but never got anywhere. https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-sushi-sashimi-food-safety https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-...
- mejutoco 5y ago
  In some places it is illegal _not_ to freeze the fish for sushi, to avoid anisakis (I don't know how it is enforced, though). source: https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202_850215.html https://elpais.com/sociedad/2006/12/20/actualidad/1166569202...
raverbashing 5y ago
We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites (Sure, it's not an issue if you cook it thoroughly before consumption, but still)
- traceroute66 5y ago
  > We hope so! Flash freezing kills parasites It depends where you are. If you are in a Western country, then yes, "sashimi grade fish" equals "frozen". If you are in Japan, then no. Its all to do with the understanding of fish and its handling. In the West its all commoditised, quantity over quality. In Japan, they have a deeply rooted fish culture, a focus on quality and are obsessive over food hygiene. So in Japan your sushi won't be pre-frozen, but it will have been meticulously inspected and prepared. Fun fact, salmon sushi/sashimi is a Western thing. The Japanese don't eat it because the parasite risk in Salmon is so much higher than any other fish. Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more.
  - the_af 5y ago
    > Personally, having visited Japan a number of times, I will not eat sushi or sashimi outside of Japan any more. Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical.
    - traceroute66 5y ago
      > Most of us cannot travel to Japan every time we want to eat sushi, so that's simply not practical. FFS ! Did I ever say I travelled, or that anyone should travel to Japan every time ? No. Incase you had not seen, Japanese cuisine goes beyond sushi and sashimi. The quality of sushi and sahimi in the West is simply so poor compared to Japan I won't waste my money. That is what I am saying. I simply said I do not eat sushi and sashimi. I can fill my Japanese desires with other culinary aspects and save myself for as and when I might visit Japan.
      - the_af 5y ago
FishGuy 5y ago
At least in the US, a significant amount of the fish you eat in high end restaurants, sushi restaurants and fish markets is never frozen. It is packed in ice and kept very cold, but not frozen. Supermarkets are more likely to stock frozen/previously frozen. Lots of commodity seafood is frozen when caught. Source: Spent a season offshore fishing for swordfish/tuna. Worked in the warehouses that unloaded and shipped the same. Drove the truck that delivered the fish.
- urthor 5y ago
  Ah, the more you know. Fish guy has spoken I guess. At least for white fish.

traceroute66 5y ago

> American cheese on fish is gross American cheese is gross full stop. ;-) As is American chocolate.

technothrasher 5y ago
> As is American chocolate. You've been eating the wrong American chocolate. Hershey's isn't the end all and be all. There are plenty of good chocolate makers and even more good chocolatiers in the US, you just need to explore a bit. L.A. Burdick in New Hampshire, for example, makes really great chocolates, and has a nice wide range of single source bars made with beans from plantations all over the world.
- dekhn 5y ago
  true of cheese as well. Tillamook in Oregon produces fantastic cheese (which is widely vended). The way I think about it is that the average american food is poorer than average european quality, but that our best producers make some of the best in the world.
letitbeirie 5y ago
My European friends: “Hersheys tastes like vomit.” The same people: “So I know it’s Halloween over there and um… can you send us some Reese’s cups?”
Karunamon 5y ago
European chocolate tastes dull. Snark aside, it's about what you grew up with. Fascinating video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44svaQc5WY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44svaQc5WY
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CRConrad 5y ago
>> American cheese on fish is gross > American cheese is gross full stop. ;-) Cheese on fish is gross full stop. > As is American chocolate. Particularly on fish, I'd guess.