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YouTube co-founder predicts ‘decline’ of the platform

57 points by ohiovr 5y ago

mwachs 5y ago
This guy is heated.
makeavish 5y ago
I wish that a good YouTube competetor probes up and take away all famous creators. I just want to avoid watching spam and bad tutorial videos.
- pixl97 5y ago
  So what advertising network is going to run it?
  - musicale 5y ago
    Amazon or Discord presumably.
- ezoe 5y ago
  Any generic UGC video hosting sites that is the size of YouTube, will be ended up like YouTube.
- charlieyu1 5y ago
  If only there is a competitor that allows real time comments like Niconico
  - musicale 5y ago
    There was Microsoft's Mixer but it failed. I agree there should be something like it. Maybe from Amazon.
- fortran77 5y ago
  Perhaps Patreon can find a niche here by letting people sponsor alternative hosting (on Patreon) for the content they want to support.
- wodenokoto 5y ago
  A lot of the creators I follow seems to be on Nebula. It's basically a coop competitor to Youtube Premium (at least it is my understanding that all creators on nebula owns a share or a stake). https://nebula.app/ https://nebula.app/
glouwbug 5y ago
Remember youtube in like 2012? We'd just make stupid videos for fun. It wasn't about money
- deleted 5y ago
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- copperx 5y ago
  Do you mean 2005?
- UncleMeat 5y ago
  And now instead of Chocolate Rain we have gazillions of hours of documentary-quality educational material produced by reasonably well funded teams of people. Good comes with the bad. The silly videos were going to move to TikTok anyway.
jrm4 5y ago
We need widespread adoption of something like Peertube yesterday.
throwawaysea 5y ago
YouTube and other platforms are so aggressive in their moderation/censorship that what we really need to succeed them is something decentralized, rather than a transition to a different centralized master. Some alternatives: https://blockonomi.com/youtube-alternative/ https://blockonomi.com/youtube-alternative/ Peertube in particular has a friendly explanation on what it is: https://joinpeertube.org/#what-is-peertube https://joinpeertube.org/#what-is-peertube
- DoItToMe81 5y ago
  I love Peertube, but I'm always concerned to see just how small the team behind it is. I'm hoping LBRY gets more adoption, just in case Peertube gets knocked off for good.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    I am not sure I entirely understand LBRY and its relation to Odysee. I see an explanation at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBRY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBRY but it feels confusing for a newbie.
    - DoItToMe81 5y ago
      My limited understanding is that LBRY is the protocol its self, Odysee is the front-end developed by the devs. I'm not a great fan of Odysee its self, as the owners aggressively follow any DMCA or takedown request, regardless of legitimacy. But the capability for self hosting, as far as I am aware, is there, unhampered.
redis_mlc 5y ago
Locals/Rumble is rapidly becoming the Republican/Trumpist and MRA YT. Even Fox News has to disable comments on YT videos to avoid "problems" with YT "fact-checkers." The MSM/established social media had a serious reputation problem before the Rittenhouse trial coverage, but now what little respect they had remaining has been completely shattered. It looks like the family will sue Biden for the biased comment he made, which potentially was made to influence a murder trial.
DoItToMe81 5y ago
I sincerely doubt it. How many tens of "universally disliked changes" have Google made over the last fifteen years? In the end, everybody sucks them up, because outside of a few very specialized use cases, there is no alternative.
wodenokoto 5y ago
I don't think the platform will decline. I do think a lot of critics don't realize what youtube considers itself. It's not a video hosting platform. It's a Netflix and Cable TV competitor. It's Via Play - a collection of channels and programs. YouTube doesn't consider itself the home of your homevideos. It's the home of "content creators" - indie TV programs. The whole "upload your video from your Zoo trip" is just their gateway for getting potential creators feet wet.

57 points by ohiovr 5y ago

This guy is heated.

I wish that a good YouTube competetor probes up and take away all famous creators. I just want to avoid watching spam and bad tutorial videos.

pixl97 5y ago
So what advertising network is going to run it?
- musicale 5y ago
  Amazon or Discord presumably.
ezoe 5y ago
Any generic UGC video hosting sites that is the size of YouTube, will be ended up like YouTube.
charlieyu1 5y ago
If only there is a competitor that allows real time comments like Niconico
- musicale 5y ago
  There was Microsoft's Mixer but it failed. I agree there should be something like it. Maybe from Amazon.
fortran77 5y ago
Perhaps Patreon can find a niche here by letting people sponsor alternative hosting (on Patreon) for the content they want to support.
wodenokoto 5y ago
A lot of the creators I follow seems to be on Nebula. It's basically a coop competitor to Youtube Premium (at least it is my understanding that all creators on nebula owns a share or a stake). https://nebula.app/ https://nebula.app/

glouwbug 5y ago

Remember youtube in like 2012? We'd just make stupid videos for fun. It wasn't about money

deleted 5y ago
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copperx 5y ago
Do you mean 2005?
UncleMeat 5y ago
And now instead of Chocolate Rain we have gazillions of hours of documentary-quality educational material produced by reasonably well funded teams of people. Good comes with the bad. The silly videos were going to move to TikTok anyway.

jrm4 5y ago

We need widespread adoption of something like Peertube yesterday.

throwawaysea 5y ago

YouTube and other platforms are so aggressive in their moderation/censorship that what we really need to succeed them is something decentralized, rather than a transition to a different centralized master. Some alternatives: https://blockonomi.com/youtube-alternative/ https://blockonomi.com/youtube-alternative/ Peertube in particular has a friendly explanation on what it is: https://joinpeertube.org/#what-is-peertube https://joinpeertube.org/#what-is-peertube

DoItToMe81 5y ago
I love Peertube, but I'm always concerned to see just how small the team behind it is. I'm hoping LBRY gets more adoption, just in case Peertube gets knocked off for good.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  I am not sure I entirely understand LBRY and its relation to Odysee. I see an explanation at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBRY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBRY but it feels confusing for a newbie.
  - DoItToMe81 5y ago
    My limited understanding is that LBRY is the protocol its self, Odysee is the front-end developed by the devs. I'm not a great fan of Odysee its self, as the owners aggressively follow any DMCA or takedown request, regardless of legitimacy. But the capability for self hosting, as far as I am aware, is there, unhampered.

redis_mlc 5y ago

Locals/Rumble is rapidly becoming the Republican/Trumpist and MRA YT. Even Fox News has to disable comments on YT videos to avoid "problems" with YT "fact-checkers." The MSM/established social media had a serious reputation problem before the Rittenhouse trial coverage, but now what little respect they had remaining has been completely shattered. It looks like the family will sue Biden for the biased comment he made, which potentially was made to influence a murder trial.

DoItToMe81 5y ago

I sincerely doubt it. How many tens of "universally disliked changes" have Google made over the last fifteen years? In the end, everybody sucks them up, because outside of a few very specialized use cases, there is no alternative.

wodenokoto 5y ago

I don't think the platform will decline. I do think a lot of critics don't realize what youtube considers itself. It's not a video hosting platform. It's a Netflix and Cable TV competitor. It's Via Play - a collection of channels and programs. YouTube doesn't consider itself the home of your homevideos. It's the home of "content creators" - indie TV programs. The whole "upload your video from your Zoo trip" is just their gateway for getting potential creators feet wet.