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Statistics also suggest that, singularly among illnesses, people with schizophrenia fare better in the developing world, where the rates of remission are higher

Statistics also suggest that, singularly among illnesses, people with schizophrenia fare better in the developing world, where the rates of remission are higher. It's because developing countries are low-compliance societies. Humans weren't evolved to live in high-compliance societies and a lot of us don't care for it at all. Some of us get by. Others don't.

valenaut 5y ago
What do you mean by high/low compliance?
- AdamN 5y ago
  Meaning it's more acceptable to not comply with cultural standards: i.e. keep standard hours, have a job, not marry/have kids, or whatever else the standards of behavior are. I'm not convinced though that developing countries are actually lower compliance but that's what the OP means.
  - watwut 5y ago
    It heavily depends on what exactly are you supposed to be compliant with. As in, developing countries tend to be less organized with all kind of rules being broken routinely. With people used to dysfunction, bad service, disorganization, bad behavior. In a lot of ways, it is more tolerant of faults, because developed word demands perfection. But then, when it turns bad it can be really bad. And it is not tolerant of everything, many freedoms and choices acceptable in developed word are treated with massive hostility.
  - topspin 5y ago
    > I'm not convinced though that developing countries are actually lower compliance They aren't, and there is far less opportunity to escape compliance. Deviation is an exclusive privilege of the prevailing strong men. Everyone else tows the community line and occupies their time scrutinizing precisely how well others are towing it as well. The romantic fiction that there is some great liberty in such places is a form of noble savage fantasy that emerges among those that have fully inculcated the contempt for their own culture they were trained to have.
  - kzrdude 5y ago
    Clearly, there's a lot of variation inside a country too. I'm thinking urban vs. rural but you can probably point out more specific ways it differs. Maybe it's even possible to think of this on a class level? Certain upper middle class societies being very strict about how you should organize your life to conform.
    - mr_toad 5y ago
      Small rural communities and the upper echelons of society seem to be closely knit. My guess is that the relative anonymity of the urban masses affords more opportunities to avoid social opprobrium.
      - kzrdude 5y ago
        Well, i was thinking differently. Rural communities can also be a place to make your own life and have less pressure to conform, or have a career
- jarito 5y ago
  Not the OP, but I assume they mean the requirement by society on how well individuals conform to the expectations of that society. In high compliance societies, individuals are ostracized / punished for non-conformance - think atheists in a religious society. In low conformance societies, individuals are able to maintain a high level of privacy or society is more tolerant of divergence.
gowld 5y ago
I've also read that schizophrenia is much less painful in countries where cultural/religious context lead people to interpret the hallunications as friendly spirits, and not government spies using mind control tech. The way someone experiences schizophrenia may be a reflection of their overall societal mental health, and how fearful society is in general.
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vajrabum 5y ago
That's an assumption I'd say. Another completely different possibility is that people suffering from schizophrenia in the developing world are generally not medicated. Anti-psychotic medications have nasty side effects and perhaps one undiscovered side effect is to turn a chronic relapsing disease into a permanent condition.
foogazi 5y ago
I’ve had friends tell me that they wouldn’t move to the US because everything it’s too rigid or strict, there are no ways out - think HOAs with street cameras strict They like living in a developing country that allows more lax behavior- throw a loud party and the cops don’t care, no one will sue you either, you can get by without a credit score or just grease some palms to get stuff done Edit: imagine no IRS, or wage garnishment for debts, no zoning, OSHA, ADA - basically the state having little power to make you comply More flexibility as the system doesn’t form your behavior - although at the same time it can come down hard on you if it wants Your rights won’t mean much though
pkukkapalli 5y ago
Don't necessarily think the distinction is low-compliance vs. high-compliance. Many developing countries are high-compliance, and enact oppressive measures all the time. I think it's low expectations vs. high expectations. In western society, there are so many expectations placed on every single moment of your life. Everyday at school is important, because you need to get into x, y, and z colleges. Everyday at work is important, because you need to grind to get a promotion so you can get more money and prestige. Having an active social life is important, because you need to mingle with as many people your age as possible so you can find the "one." You also need to spend some time "finding yourself." In your free time, you could be trading crypto, or investing in stocks, or working on a startup. Every moment is critical, and must be used for achieving some over-arching goal of self-actualization to leave your "unique" mark in the world. This isn't necessarily bad, and has led to some fantastic worldly achievements, but when you're going 100 mph all the time, there's no room for the silence required to know yourself. It's like you're spending all this energy trying to create yourself when you're right here all this time, and nothing you've done so far has changed that. Eastern (developing) societies have no such tension. You do well in school, because that is what will get you a good job, not to change the world. No alumnus is speaking to you saying they're looking at Presidents, astronauts, inventors, etc. Mom or dad can introduce you to someone that they think would be suitable for marriage, and her parents agree because you did the work to get a decent job. Then, you can get married and have kids so that you have someone to care for, and someone to care for you when your parents get too old or pass away. There's never a sense that you need to do something truly new and unique. They are simply happier with less, and don't place undue expectations on their life. There are so many quiet moments in your life where you can be yourself without any expectations. You do not worry about whether the world will remember who you are. You've already done everything that could be expected of you. I know there are exceptions in both cases, but ultimately people become sad and suicidal when they feel their life isn't worth living. Which society makes it easier to say your life was well lived?

valenaut 5y ago

What do you mean by high/low compliance?

AdamN 5y ago
Meaning it's more acceptable to not comply with cultural standards: i.e. keep standard hours, have a job, not marry/have kids, or whatever else the standards of behavior are. I'm not convinced though that developing countries are actually lower compliance but that's what the OP means.
- watwut 5y ago
  It heavily depends on what exactly are you supposed to be compliant with. As in, developing countries tend to be less organized with all kind of rules being broken routinely. With people used to dysfunction, bad service, disorganization, bad behavior. In a lot of ways, it is more tolerant of faults, because developed word demands perfection. But then, when it turns bad it can be really bad. And it is not tolerant of everything, many freedoms and choices acceptable in developed word are treated with massive hostility.
- topspin 5y ago
  > I'm not convinced though that developing countries are actually lower compliance They aren't, and there is far less opportunity to escape compliance. Deviation is an exclusive privilege of the prevailing strong men. Everyone else tows the community line and occupies their time scrutinizing precisely how well others are towing it as well. The romantic fiction that there is some great liberty in such places is a form of noble savage fantasy that emerges among those that have fully inculcated the contempt for their own culture they were trained to have.
- kzrdude 5y ago
  Clearly, there's a lot of variation inside a country too. I'm thinking urban vs. rural but you can probably point out more specific ways it differs. Maybe it's even possible to think of this on a class level? Certain upper middle class societies being very strict about how you should organize your life to conform.
  - mr_toad 5y ago
    Small rural communities and the upper echelons of society seem to be closely knit. My guess is that the relative anonymity of the urban masses affords more opportunities to avoid social opprobrium.
    - kzrdude 5y ago
      Well, i was thinking differently. Rural communities can also be a place to make your own life and have less pressure to conform, or have a career
jarito 5y ago
Not the OP, but I assume they mean the requirement by society on how well individuals conform to the expectations of that society. In high compliance societies, individuals are ostracized / punished for non-conformance - think atheists in a religious society. In low conformance societies, individuals are able to maintain a high level of privacy or society is more tolerant of divergence.

gowld 5y ago

I've also read that schizophrenia is much less painful in countries where cultural/religious context lead people to interpret the hallunications as friendly spirits, and not government spies using mind control tech. The way someone experiences schizophrenia may be a reflection of their overall societal mental health, and how fearful society is in general.

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vajrabum 5y ago

That's an assumption I'd say. Another completely different possibility is that people suffering from schizophrenia in the developing world are generally not medicated. Anti-psychotic medications have nasty side effects and perhaps one undiscovered side effect is to turn a chronic relapsing disease into a permanent condition.

foogazi 5y ago

I’ve had friends tell me that they wouldn’t move to the US because everything it’s too rigid or strict, there are no ways out - think HOAs with street cameras strict They like living in a developing country that allows more lax behavior- throw a loud party and the cops don’t care, no one will sue you either, you can get by without a credit score or just grease some palms to get stuff done Edit: imagine no IRS, or wage garnishment for debts, no zoning, OSHA, ADA - basically the state having little power to make you comply More flexibility as the system doesn’t form your behavior - although at the same time it can come down hard on you if it wants Your rights won’t mean much though

pkukkapalli 5y ago

Don't necessarily think the distinction is low-compliance vs. high-compliance. Many developing countries are high-compliance, and enact oppressive measures all the time. I think it's low expectations vs. high expectations. In western society, there are so many expectations placed on every single moment of your life. Everyday at school is important, because you need to get into x, y, and z colleges. Everyday at work is important, because you need to grind to get a promotion so you can get more money and prestige. Having an active social life is important, because you need to mingle with as many people your age as possible so you can find the "one." You also need to spend some time "finding yourself." In your free time, you could be trading crypto, or investing in stocks, or working on a startup. Every moment is critical, and must be used for achieving some over-arching goal of self-actualization to leave your "unique" mark in the world. This isn't necessarily bad, and has led to some fantastic worldly achievements, but when you're going 100 mph all the time, there's no room for the silence required to know yourself. It's like you're spending all this energy trying to create yourself when you're right here all this time, and nothing you've done so far has changed that. Eastern (developing) societies have no such tension. You do well in school, because that is what will get you a good job, not to change the world. No alumnus is speaking to you saying they're looking at Presidents, astronauts, inventors, etc. Mom or dad can introduce you to someone that they think would be suitable for marriage, and her parents agree because you did the work to get a decent job. Then, you can get married and have kids so that you have someone to care for, and someone to care for you when your parents get too old or pass away. There's never a sense that you need to do something truly new and unique. They are simply happier with less, and don't place undue expectations on their life. There are so many quiet moments in your life where you can be yourself without any expectations. You do not worry about whether the world will remember who you are. You've already done everything that could be expected of you. I know there are exceptions in both cases, but ultimately people become sad and suicidal when they feel their life isn't worth living. Which society makes it easier to say your life was well lived?