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Interesting to see the numbers. For example, Red Notice is #1 with 149 million hours viewed, and when you look at the Wikipedia entry for that film, it says:
by EMM_386 5y ago
Interesting to see the numbers. For example, Red Notice is #1 with 149 million hours viewed, and when you look at the Wikipedia entry for that film, it says:
> Due to the film's $200 million production budget and Netflix's global film chief Scott Stuber saying that the company's "big-budget tentpole films [need] to draw an audience of more than 70 million viewers within the first 28 days of availability," The New York Observer estimated Red Notice would need to total around 200 million hours (about 83 million household viewers) to be deemed a success
I guess by this definition, it can be deemed a success.
- mhh__ 5y ago> $200 million production I'm aware that the accounting methods presumably aren't completely comparable but considering Dune apparently cost about $165 mil to make I am perpetually amazed how expensive some films have ended up being.
- Someone1234 5y agoKeep in mind that nearly half of that went to the three main cast members alone ($50M + $20M + $20M respectively)[0]. The Rock got more because he is both a star and producer of the movie. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/10/21/red-notice-is-netflixs-biggest-ever-investment-in-a-film-heres-how-its-other-blockbusters-stack-up/?sh=5b5cc2e5c427 https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/10/21/red-n...
- mhh__ 5y agoThe cast of Dune probably wasn't exactly cheap (Chalamet alone must command a big fee these days now that he has the chops and the bona fides now), but yep.
- AutumnCurtain 5y agoTom Cruise numbers for the Rock, good God.
- markdown 5y agoThe Rock is a mediocre actor but a far bigger star than Cruise these days. He's been the highest or 2nd highest earning actor every year for the past five years.
- SkyMarshal 5y agoThe Rock has good crossover appeal, from action movies to children's adventure-commedies. Together, action fans + family-friendly crowd, is a pretty massive potential audience. I think Cruise has the former but doesn't really do any of the latter, so his total potential audience may not be as large.
- senthil_rajasek 5y agoRock is a great entertainer, cut his teeth in WWE. Why are we comparing? Is that even objectively possible? Personally, I like the diversity he brings in all aspects.
- finnh 5y agoThe Rock will be POTUS in our lifetime
- ianmcgowan 5y agoOne step closer to President Camacho! Though given some of the other choices, not sure The Rock is that far down the list really..
- tinyhouse 5y agoWatched it. So much money for such a stupid movie.
- akudha 5y agoYup, that’s my first thought too. However hard I try, I can’t justify the money some of these actors get paid. 50m for Dwayne - he is an average actor at best, somewhat entertaining, but 50M? Movie itself was meh. I can’t get the 2 hours back :(
- rkuykendall-com 5y agoIt's not about how much $ Dwayne deserves, but how much of the % he deserves. I'd argue 1/4th of the money makes sense, since a lot of people click on movies just because he's in it.
- jb1991 5y agoI don’t understand how a single movie’s viewers translate into success for a company where users do not pay individually for the movie. Netflix still gets my money whether I watch this movie or not. How does that work?
- Raed667 5y agoIf you watch something, there is a higher chance that you keep paying.
- yissp 5y agoAlthough, I cancelled my Netflix subscription a few years ago because I felt like I was watching too much. Same reason I quit World of Warcraft back in the day :)
- chii 5y agopresumably, views correlate to subscriptions. If view hours drop, it follows that subscriptions (would) drop in the future, if nothing changes. A big budget film or series eats up capital, so if it is to contribute to the total view-hours count, it must do so at a rate that is better than making several, smaller series at a lower budget.
- flatiron 5y ago$1 per hour. Wonder what data wizard came up with that metric.
- teruakohatu 5y agoThe same person who probably handled the hollywood accounting that inflated the costs to $200 million.
- adrr 5y agoCost for 3 A list stars is $60m+. Dwayne Johnson is the highest paid actor and Gal Gadot is one of the highest paid actresses. Ryan Reynolds supposedly received $20m to be in the film.
- ipaddr 5y agoNetflix knows how to waste money. Having one at that price tag would be typical with smaller salaries for the other roles.
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- selcuka 5y agoThat still doesn't change the definition of inflation. In a very oversimplified example, if Netflix costs $5 instead of $10/month those actors would be forced to accept $10m instead of $20m per movie.
- RussianCow 5y agoThey wouldn't be "forced" to accept anything, they just wouldn't do the deal in the first place, and would go to someone more willing to pay them the fee they want.
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- teruakohatu 5y agoIs the 149 million actual hours streamed, or is it "viewer" hours (hours streamed x average number of people sitting on sofa in front of tv)?
- teej 5y agoIt’s actual hours streamed. Given the intense scrutiny this metric will get, including audits by EY, there’s no way they’d get away with some handwavy assumption multiplier of butts in seats.
- Sebb767 5y agoI mean, Wirecard was audited by EY. So I wouldn't necessarily agree with the assumption that they wouldn't get away with something.
- Rapzid 5y agoIt's only been out 11 days though, so 17 to go?
- supernovae 5y agoA success... but entirely forgettable.
- hintymad 5y agoI wonder how Netflix could structure the deal with the main cast. Rock, Gadot, and Reynolds all take a share of box-office earnings, right? Netflix does not have a box office, so it's really curious how they structured such deal.
- slg 5y ago>Red Notice is #1 with 149 million hours viewed This number is so large that it makes me question the accuracy. The movie is 115 minutes so this is 77.6m views if we assume that everyone who streamed it watched the entire thing and only watched it once. It looks like the most recent numbers say Netflix has 209 million subscribers. That would mean 37% of the global Netflix subscriber base watched this movie in the first few days after release. That is literally unbelievable. It isn't directly comparably to theatrical box office numbers, but the total viewers would likely translate to at least the 2nd biggest opening ever for a theatrical release. That would be a ridiculous accomplishment for an original movie. There is not a single non-franchise movie in the list of top 50 biggest openings ever[1]. And before anyone responds, yes I understand that the assumptions I made would impact these conclusions, but the assumptions are working in opposite directions, at least partially cancel each other out, and are mostly just used to show approximate magnitude. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_openings_for_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_openi...
- djrockstar1 5y ago> Netflix has 209 million subscribers Aren't Netflix subscriptions notorious for having multiple users on the same account? I've been using an account shared with 4 other people, for instance. The true number of users could be 2-3x that number.
- slg 5y agoSure and some people turned the movie off after 10 minutes. We have no idea the true numbers so I am just assuming these issues cancel each other out for the sake of some back of the napkin math.
- bnegreve 5y agoThis is not correct: - if there are multiple users per netflix account, you underestimate the total number of netflix users. - if the total hour-count includes users that have only watched 10% of the movie, you over estimate the number of users that have actually watched the entire movie. (by counting in the ones that haven't) In both cases you end up over estimating the fraction of netflix users that have watched the entire movie. If you assume that there are two users per netflix accounts on average, and that 10 users out of 11 will drop the movie after 10% then your estimated percentage will be 4x higher than the real percentage. So, its probably more around 9-10% of netflix users that have seen the movie.
- helsinkiandrew 5y ago> with 149 million hours viewed. When I open Netflix in my browser Tiger King starts playing in the background. If you click on a film to read the synopsis often the film starts playing. I wonder how many of those hours are people repeatedly watching for 20 seconds in the background before moving on?
- rchaud 5y agoConsidering that this kind of overcounting data was communicated to paying customers of Facebook (advertisers), I imagine Netflix will go for the biggest numbers possible. It's not like that data is audited like a financial statement would be.