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In reality, you just don't realise how much bloatware osx has. Install a firewall and watch as studentd or 100 other services you never use contacts apple. Edi
by aunty_helen 5y ago
In reality, you just don't realise how much bloatware osx has. Install a firewall and watch as studentd or 100 other services you never use contacts apple.
Edit: List of most recent and trying not to include things that may be useful to me
syncdefaultsd,
nsurlsessiond,
apsd,
cloudd,
transparencyd,
mapspushd,
cloudphotod,
akd,
parsec-fbf,
appstoreagent,
AddressBookSourceSync,
com.apple.iCloudHelper.xpc,
familycircled,
trustd,
AssetCacheLocatorService.xpc,
imagent,
indentyservicesd,
com.apple.sbd,
studentd,
airportd,
configd,
parsecd,
com.apple.geod.xpc,
com.apple.geod.xpc,
avconferenced,
rapportd,
trustd,
remindd,
helpd,
syspolicyd
Long list right.... that's from the previous 3 hours.
- buildbot 5y agoBut that's 1st party vs. 3rd party, big difference!
- Steltek 5y agoI can't tell if this is a defense or outrage? 1st party seems worse as, depending on the purpose, it might be harder to remove.
- oopsyDoodl 5y agoLast I checked even server focused Linux distros ship with a firewall. Bash? Fucking savages! Zsh or gtfo Not everyone has time to memorize Linux From Scratch and git commit a CI/CD pipeline towards the perfect distro Maybe if programmers were interested in teaching versus making bank at big corp.
- kymaz 5y agoNeed big bank to support the home loan and childcare.
- oopsyDoodl 5y agoAs long as corporate banking is our value store that’s true. I’d rather see humans themselves as our value store and motivate, teach, and mentor each other to do the logistics work to that end. Letting banks gamble with our deposits when we’re all in the habit of doing these things daily anyway seems like pointless extra steps. I think people are more willing to be a stable mesh network of agents for each other than history full of feudal warlords will let us believe, we don’t need to prop up ephemeral tent poles. That’s just old story. Bonobo tribes have been observed killing alphas and then developing social harmony. Not saying we should behead billionaires, but austerity for elites would be a figurative death.
- asiachick 5y agoI agree with the previous person that Windows has more bloat. I don't want the 3-5 3rd party games it pre-installs and several other things. I also agree with you though. For me, All the Apple software is stuff I don't use so when I get a new Mac the first thing is removing Mail, Maps, Contacts, Pages, Photos, Calendar, Facetime, Reminders, AppleTV, Music, Keynote, and more and then removing the bloat widgets like News, Stocks, etc...
- null_object 5y ago> removing Mail, Maps, Contacts, Pages, Photos, Calendar, Facetime, Reminders, AppleTV, Music, Keynote, and more and then removing the bloat widgets like News, Stocks, etc All of the things in your list are just apps that can be removed with one click. My partner’s PC comes pre-installed with masses of hidden spyware. I know the kneejerk reaction is to bash Apple for everything - but the two are totally not comparable.
- SamuelAdams 5y agoHey so I’ll be getting my first MacBook Pro in a couple weeks, so I’m still learning the details about OS X. I’m coming from a windows / Linux background. I thought the OS shipped with its own firewall? Would you recommend using a third party firewall despite having its own?
- javajosh 5y agoLittle Snitch https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html
- handrous 5y agoWindows and Linux user for 25 years [EDIT Windows for 25, Linux for 20, to be more precise], heavy macOS user (in addition to those) for the last 10 or so. If it has a firewall of any kind, I've never noticed nor interacted with it. I've also never installed a third party firewall.
- jobe_br 5y agoFirewalls can do two things, mainly. Block inbound connections, block outbound connections. The macOS firewall is mainly intended for the former. Many folks want to prevent the latter (e.g. blocking phone home connections).
- aunty_helen 5y agoGet little snitch. This is a firewall that dosen't care what apple thinks is useful. There was some controversy in the previous year because apple tried to deprecate the firewall hooks and allow their junk passed the replacement they offered. I'm leaving apple for linux as we speak for two reasons, privacy and they can't help but mess with shit every time they release an update. The most recent, this week they released an update and now their airport service listens on port 5000 making a conflict with running a dev flask service locally.
- azinman2 5y agos/airport/airplay
- azinman2 5y agoSo basically in that list you’re suggesting disabling the ability to download web content, syncing of address books, getting updated security signatures, connecting to iCloud, downloading dynamic assets that many apps use to reduce initial size and provide non-binary updates, Siri keyword suggestions in Safari, Airdrop, Maps integration, push notifications for Messages, etc. Most Apple users will definitively want those on, and will break your system in subtle ways if you disable them. I wouldn’t make such assumptions about whatever you use the service or not. If you don’t use a service, it typically will have very little traffic if any at all.
- mschuster91 5y ago> Most Apple users will definitively want those on, and will break your system in subtle ways if you disable them. What happened to the good old days of "ask for user consent before phoning home"? I mean, Apple is miles ahead of Windows in that regard, but your average Linux or BSD setup won't phone home outside of repository downloads unless requested.
- boringg 5y agoI think you have your target demographics mixed up for MacOS and Linux. Once you reframe it in that light, you've answered your question. One is a poweruser who wants complete control of their environment, the other is a much broader user who wants a convenience of experience and safe environment. Trade offs to both of them. The only happy medium I would consider to your approach is that if MacOS had two set up routes, one defaulting as a power user turning everything off and then initiating things are you want and another as a general user. Maybe that would solve it (though would be a heavy lift I am sure).
- nouveaux 5y agoThis is the Little Snitch[0] problem. If you have ever used Little Snitch, you will soon realize that 1) there is so much crap phoning home and 2) most people do not want to deal with giving permission to each and every one of these services. I have tried giving permission and at the end of the day, it's just not worth the time. For me, Little Snitch is great as a reporting tool but it's just too much work as a firewall. [0]https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html
- gumby 5y agoMany of those are useful to me even if you don’t care about them…which proves your point: there’s no reasonable (and sometimes none at all) way to pick and choose.
- aunty_helen 5y agoOpt-in is no longer seen as a reasonable solution?
- gumby 5y agoYou’re automatically “opting in” whether you want to or not, so it’s hard to see what’s optional here.
- leucineleprec0n 5y agoJesus Christ, thank you. People act as if bullshit like TV and FaceTime are perfectly innocuous binaries without 6478 daemons molesting your memory irrespective of deliberate use & permissions.
- arghnoname 5y agoDoes it make a difference if you disable all of the iCloud stuff in settings? I let it sync most of my stuff so it moves between platforms, but I always assumed it wouldn't phone home for services where syncing is disabled. If it does this anyway, seems like a mistake.