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Google Summer of Code in 2022 – No longer limited to students
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- IceWreck 5y agoThere are also optionally larger projects. > Rather than a mandatory 12-week program that runs from June – August with everyone required to finish their projects by the end of the 12th week, we are opening it up so mentors and their GSoC Contributors can decide together if they want to extend the deadline for the project up to 22 weeks.
- Gaelan 5y agoNote that they halved the project size in 2021, so the new project sizes are the original pre-2021 size, and the smaller 2021 size.
- neves 5y agoHow much are they paying for the applicants?
- progbits 5y ago$3000 adjusted by country purchasing power, split into 45%/55% (mid-term and final evaluation) https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-stipends https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/student-...
- jhgb 5y ago> adjusted by country purchasing power What's the reasoning behind such an uneconomical decision?
- fooker 5y agoIt wasn't like this when I participated (2013). ~5500 USD was the flat rate wherever you were from.
- MatthewWilkes 5y agoI don't speak for Google, however I was involved in Summer of Code from the open source side when this decision was made. The reason given was that they were concerned that the amounts were having a disproportionate impact on some students, paying significantly more than the jobs it was meant to compete with to the extent that getting into Sumner of Code was one of the main objectives for students rather than a nice to have. I can tell you that when it was announced it was a very unpopular move with the mentoring organisations, where the strong feeling was that equal work deserves equal pay, but ultimately the decision for mentoring orgs is to participate or not, and the vast majority chose to participate.
- IceWreck 5y agoIt was higher when I participated but still adjusted by country purchasing power. The duration was longer than last year and we had three evaluations instead of two.
- pzo 5y agofor anyone curious, for most countries adjustment goes down and that means $1500 for 3 months of work => $500/month, on top of that you will also have to pay tax.
- mciancia 5y agoUh, that is pretty bad IMO, especially after adjustments. Afair it was much higher a few years ago...
- david_allison 5y agoThey halved the hours this year, which impacted the figure
- nafizh 5y agoWhen I participated back in 2015, it was 5500$. It seems they have reduced it to 3300$.
- david_allison 5y agoThey also halved the hours this year. The amount is dependent upon purchasing power ($3,300 to $1,500).
- bluedino 5y agoThis is one thing I'm glad to see Google has kept alive.
- elwell 5y agoI like Gmail.
- cxr 5y agoSuppose Google dropped all pretense and offered full-time work to any qualified applicant willing to work for minimum living wage—a 21st century workfare program. What would those numbers look like? What are the costs of the overheads? Suppose Google is able to draw managers ("mentors") from the upper end of the same applicant pool. What's the upper bound on programmers after arriving at an equilibrium by iteration? Knuth estimates 2% of the world has what it takes to be a programmer. Is that a reasonable upper bound for such a program, considering that the existence of the program will by incentive probably double or quadruple the number of working programmers in the world, but also keeping in mind that the most of the world's existing and aspiring programmers won't be interested in minimum wage long-term?
- geodel 5y ago> Knuth estimates 2% of the world has what it takes to be a programmer. Without knowing Knuth's criteria it sounds arbitrary. Would it be Knuth caliber programer? Then 2 percent seems high. Or one could change webpage color / deploy some simple app with click of button or running couple line of script. I guess 80% of adult population might be able to do in 2030. > but also keeping in mind that the most of the world's existing and aspiring programmers won't be interested in minimum wage long-term Well minimum wage workers are also not interested in that for long term. However that's what people will do if it is the only thing available.
- sincerely 5y agoJust for context, the US adult literacy rate is 80%
- trentgreene 5y agoIn the UK, it's 99%, and I'd bet there's not a huge difference in talent
- mejutoco 5y agoAre you sure? This source claims it is 99% https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/WorldStats/CIA-World-Factbook-Literacy.html https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/WorldStats/CIA-World-Fac...
- sss111 5y agoIt is already very hard to get in as a student. why make it even tougher for them?
- fermentation 5y agoI have many friends who cannot afford to go to college, yet have entry-level coding skills and want experience in order to get a job as a developer.
- blocked_again 5y agoHave they considered emmigrating to one of the more developed countries?
- heavyset_go 5y agoAlmost every developed country requires immigrants on work visas to hold degrees. In the US, if I wanted to sponsor a foreign developer's work visa, they first need to have a degree to meet the prerequisites for the visa at all.
- aaaaaaaaaaab 5y agoNo, H1B also allows proof of equivalent work experience. I.e. letters of recommendation for employers of at least 4 years.
- heavyset_go 5y agoI looked into it, and the US counts 3 years of qualified work experience as 1 year of academic studies, and requires the equivalent of 4 years of college studying for H1B visas. Someone with no degree needs 12 years of qualified work experience, someone with a 2 year degree needs 8 years of work experience, etc. According to this Quora answer[1] regarding H1B: > Out of 108,101 initial employment approvals in 2017, less than 200 were for individuals with less than a bachelors degree (this includes associate degrees). > https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/reports-studies/Characteristics-of-Specialty-Occupation-Workers-H-1B-Fiscal-Year-2017.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/reports-studies/Ch... (page 10) [1] https://www.quora.com/Can-I-have-an-H1B-visa-without-a-university-degree-but-with-the-necessary-experience https://www.quora.com/Can-I-have-an-H1B-visa-without-a-unive...
- MatthewWilkes 5y agoI was very involved in GSoC from an open source perspective for many years. I think this is the best tweak they've made in years. There is so much talent outside of the University system, and widening this will give lots of motivated people opportunities they otherwise wouldn't have.
- yumraj 5y agoDoesn't this conflict with internship for students. So, am curious as to which ends up being more valuable to a student a proper Internship or GSoC? Or, have students done GSoC in parallel with their internships?
- asperous 5y agoThey can both be valuable from a student perspective; GSoC from my experience is a full time gig during that time. I don't how many internships Google has but SoC is 1-2k people a year Google Internships from Google's perspective is people that they may want to hire. Summer of Code the candidates are chosen by the participating organizations so it's a wider range.
- yumraj 5y agoI was referring to internships in general, not just at Google.
- markdown 5y ago> Doesn't this conflict with internship for students. That's an American thing. I wonder how many GsoC students are foreign.
- 908B64B197 5y agoIt's an American thing to have a summer internship? How else are you supposed to gain work experience? Part time throughout the year?
- Jensson 5y agoYou don't need summer work experience to get a job. You just apply when you graduate.
- 908B64B197 5y agoIs that the norm outside of America?
- cturtle 5y agoAs someone fortunate enough to participate in the GSoC twice, I think this is fantastic news. I had such a great experience and learned a lot. It’s wonderful that this change allows even more people the opportunity to be compensated for open source dev.
- MonaroVXR 5y agoWhat did you learn if I may ask?
- shorts_theory 5y agoGlad to see Google keeping this alive! I benefited a lot from participating in the GSoC program twice and I probably wouldn't be where I am right now without it! It can't be overstated how valuable the mentorship and open-source community experience is for programmers in the beginning of their careers.
- sverhagen 5y agoGreat, sure. But the motivation is not purely altruistic, is it? I imagine this is a great recruiting vehicle. (Which is... good for them, not dinging them for it.)
- shorts_theory 5y agoA few years ago GSoC students could get directly get an interview at Google, but the rule has been changed since then and I don't think they use GSoC for recruiting anymore.
- janosett 5y agoIt may not be purely altruistic, but seems like a net good. Participants aren’t under any obligation to work for Google, and for some participants working for Google might be a desirable opportunity! If not, this is a chance to get experience working on impactful open source projects and get paid for it. Personally I think it’s great when incentives align this way.
- MillenialMan 5y agoIt's rarely altruistic but this seems very win/win to me. Talent without a record can prove their chops and get hired above their on-paper experience level, Google gets an additional avenue of recruitment.
- YetAnotherNick 5y agoI don't think it is for recruiting which is such a missed opportunity for them. I participated in two GSoC and interviewed with Google later. Somehow, they were the one which gave zero fuck to GSoC or anything else in the CV and just focused on their coding round for evaluation.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoIs this mainly targeted to younger generations or is it appropriate for fat 40 year old dudes as well?
- david_allison 5y agoIt's up to individual organizations to specify their criteria for GSoC Contributors. Personal opinion (off the record - haven't discussed with other admins in the org): It's absolutely appropriate and I'd encourage you to apply somewhere, as long as you're happy with the conditions and the stipend that Google offers.
- nickthemagicman 5y agoInteresting. Thank you! I feel like anyone could prob learn a lot from something like this.
- dolosports 5y agoWould someone with a full time tech job be able to manage a program like this? Fyi I made a career change into coding 3yrs ago. I’ve been in two roles that have given coding experiences but it’s not the majority of the time. I work with open source projects, i.e. Kubernetes and would love to eventually be a open source contributor in the future.
- david_allison 5y ago11 hours per week over 12 weeks would be a stretch if you're working full-time. Depends on the organization, but I'd personally be hesitant due to this. Do get in touch with an organization and see how they feel about it.
- m0zg 5y agoGreat. Now stop the preferential treatment of Ivy League grads in recruiting and among FTEs as well. From what I have seen, they aren't any more capable than the rest.
- gabythenerd 5y agoI did GSoC a couple of years ago and it opened so many doors for me, I immigrated with the stipend and found my first job because of it. I'm so happy it's going to be opened to people with other backgrounds.
- golly_ned 5y agoThis is very exciting! I can't wait to sign up for it and then ultimately not do anything since I overcommitted myself.
- avl999 5y agoDo not give Google free/cheap labor. It's one thing for students to do this another for those who are past that stage.
- david_allison 5y agoHow is this giving Google labor? The majority of projects (if not all) are independent of Google, and Google pays for contributions to these projects.
- avl999 5y agoGoogle should be paying a competitive wage to support these projects. They can afford to! They don't get to get cheap publicity and goodwill by putting their name on this thing while paying developers who work on these projects like crap.
- asah 5y agoSorry but you're being ungrateful. Google doesn't have to do this at all, and no other company does (at this scale). Whine too loudly, and they stop. This is open source, not commercial work. There's zero direct commercial benefit. Finally, if you don't like the comp, do something else: nobody's forcing anybody!
- mikkelenzo 5y agoAwesome!
- pabs3 5y agoI wonder if they will rename it Google Season of Code and open it up to the Southern Hemisphere too.