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MuditaOS And Mudita Center are now fully Open Source
- qwerty456127 5y agoNice! The picture in the article (all-white minimalistic GUI, except a button which I would make white too) is exactly what I want an ideal OS I would use to look like. I would then use it with a eInk display (AFAIK full-size eInk desktop displays exist although are very expensive, I hope eInk laptops are also going to emerge once we have suitable software) and probably feel very happy.
- marcodiego 5y agoInteresting: they have a cellphone using it: https://mudita.com/community/blog/october-mudita-pure-production-development-update/ https://mudita.com/community/blog/october-mudita-pure-produc... Maybe we'll see a RYF-capable phone?
- camgunz 5y agoPretty cool company, love the manifesto. Excited for when their products ship. EU tech culture is really intriguing actually, everything from private email services (mailbox.org) to low-power computing (pine64) and a lot of FOSS development. I find myself aligning more with those values than the values we're pushing here in the US--whatever the Venn diagram of Meta/Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Salesforce/Oracle are I don't think it's super inspiring. Maybe it's a little unfair to cherrypick though.
- Stampo00 5y agoSeems values like sustainability and privacy are at least a little higher priority outside of the United States. I, too, can get behind that.
- turbinerneiter 5y agoPine is Hongkong tough.
- camgunz 5y agoWhoa I had no idea. I feel like everyone I've seen doing Pine64 things lives somewhere in Europe. What a world.
- stryan 5y agoThey actually started as a California-based company before re-basing to Hong Kong back in (IIRC) 2019. Not sure why the change.
- capableweb 5y agoDoing business from the US is a minefield today, not at all like it used to be. Almost any other country is better if you just want to focus on running a business, so not so surprising that they relocated.
- yumraj 5y ago> Doing business from the US is a minefield today As opposed to doing business from China. Hmm, really.....
- pengaru 5y agoThe previous US administration going to war with China on trade created a lot of uncertainty and concern surrounding tariffs and delays/parts availability. Through that lens it probably makes a lot of sense to simply move your operation to China, when that covers the bulk of the relevant supply chain for your products. Especially if you have no other barriers deterring the relocation, like language or cultural challenges...
- ryukafalz 5y agoFair warning for anyone considering the phone: it doesn't appear to support group messaging. If you live in Europe, you might not care. If you live in the US, this is quite possibly a dealbreaker. https://forum.mudita.com/t/group-messaging/975 https://forum.mudita.com/t/group-messaging/975 Of course, now that it's open source someone could add it, but... too fundamental of a feature for me to start daily driving it in the first place.
- pbronez 5y agoInteresting. That's a restriction on Tesla's infotainment system as well. I wonder how the underlying standards differ. What makes group messaging so much harder to implement? I agree it's a pretty key feature. Of course, there are a lot of other problems with SMS. There's a reason other chat apps are so common, and a lot of it is key features like delivery confirmation and message length. Perhaps Mudita should offer a cloud service that bridges various chat apps to their phone. If they take a privacy-first approach, it could be a really nice service. Similarly, I would love to streaming music on this thing. Spotify runs on everything, so why not here? Maybe I don't totally agree with their product vision though. I like the idea of a slimmed down, privacy-respecting phone. I just don't want to give up ALL the benefits of a smart phone. I would welcome a unified chat interface and a simplified Spotify app. I would probably be willing to pay a subscription for secure backends to give me a streamlined, integrated experience.
- ryukafalz 5y ago> What makes group messaging so much harder to implement? Group messaging requires MMS, so you don't get it for free by just implementing SMS. Most up-and-coming platforms seem to stop at SMS - which you do need for MMS as its control messages are sent via SMS, but it's not enough.
- selfhoster11 5y agoMMS is overpriced in all European networks that I know of. This might be why it's not seeing much adoption.
- dotcoma 5y agoInteresting, but... 369 USD? Really??
- meragrin_ 5y agoNot enough volume to qualify for discounts and less phones to spread out R&D costs.
- BizarroLand 5y agoExactly. This is a specialized item for people with specific tastes. You can probably get a older model flip phone without a data plan for $50 or less online, but this is for people who crave aesthetic and have lingering discomfort with some untold aspect of oled screens and 5G waves, or at the very least they want an excuse to not be connected all of the time.
- mythz 5y agoJust want to pause and say how stunningly beautifully & minimalist Mudita's entire brand, website & product offering is, everything's so beautifully Zen.
- mvdwoord 5y agoInteresting phone. Have considered for quite some time to move to a dumbish phone, or at least something more minimal. Would like to ditch the mindless and low friction browsing etc.. but OTOH I would miss Signal/Telegram as it is too much of a benefit to me in daily life, as is Maps. Most of those issues could be dealt with by changing habits/lifestyle (which is the point, to a degree) however for people who have made that plunge... how do you deal with the seeming need for a phone with secure chip for the endless banking and two factor apps? I would need a second phone with all bells and whistles which defeats the point.
- zephyr9 5y ago> how do you deal with the seeming need for a phone with secure chip for the endless banking and two factor apps? I've been without a smartphone for about two years now and would not go back (although sometimes tempted by the false promise that a shiny new product will bring happiness). It's easy, you just don't treat your phone as secure, do banking on a computer, along with email. 2FA is not magic, it's just another password. Just a password manager like pass [0] can generate 2FA codes, but it's easy enough to do with oathtool [1] that I wrote my own password manager. [0] https://www.passwordstore.org https://www.passwordstore.org [1] https://www.nongnu.org/oath-toolkit/ https://www.nongnu.org/oath-toolkit/
- mvdwoord 5y agoMy current employer (long term contract work) and many other company policies simply require e.g. ms authenticator... Can't find any alternative to that. Is there a way to use company issued ms 2fa without a mobile phone (Android/iOS)?
- blacksmith_tb 5y agoIt certainly seems clunky, but you could potentially use something like Bluestacks as a pseudo phone and install Authenticator under it. That wouldn't work for push though (like Duo).
- mariushn 5y agoAren't the digits-only keys almost useless? Who types a phone number these days? I either call contacts, or click on a phone link, or long-press on a phone number on the web then select Call, or click Call from Maps. Hope these guys would consider doing an ereader though.
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- qwerty456127 5y agoWhenever I need to call a new number (and I do it often - because companies, state etc.) I manually add the country code to it. Because they often don't add it themselves when putting it on their website or in a message. If I use it as it is and don't add the country code, the moment they call/text me back the phone software considers it a different number because the caller ID actually includes the code. > Hope these guys would consider doing an ereader though. Why? Can't a 3rd party just make an app? Given you already have the eInk screen, how is a dedicated ebook reader supposed to be different from an eInk tablet with a reading app?
- mariushn 5y agoereader == Kobo, Kindle. Not an app.
- drewzero1 5y ago> how is a dedicated ebook reader supposed to be different from an eInk tablet with a reading app? A dedicated device can be better for avoiding distraction. When reading on my phone or computer I'll often switch apps to look something up or check something, but when reading on a dedicated e-reader I find the friction of switching devices keeps me conscious of the distraction. If you can stay focused while reading on a multipurpose device, you probably don't need an ebook device. But I happen to appreciate the option.
- billyjobob 5y agoFrom the site: > Although we would have liked to only use 2G, the least harmful radio frequency, it is currently being phased out around the world. We spent a good amount of time trying to find a flexible, modern and global GSM module, which could be used for travelling anywhere in the world. With the user’s health in mind, Pure always chooses the lowest spectrum available to limit radiation. Will this phone also save me from the vax?
- amluto 5y ago2G isn’t a frequency. This is nuts.
- whydoyoucare 5y agoThat can possibly be explained by non-native English speaking team. The whole idea of "radiation exposure" is actually nuts, and a pure marketing gimmick (as are meditation timer, and other ethical considerations).
- T-A 5y agoLater mobile network generations generally use higher frequencies. GSM goes up to 1.9 GHz [1], 5G up to 52.6 GHz [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands
- alkdfdlkdslk 5y agoWant to buy - but need a private messenger on it.
- glial 5y agoI love the idea behind this phone and have been following the development for a while, but it's really a drag that it doesn't support group messages.
- FpUser 5y agoRussians already had fun with Pidora OS. This one may amuse them even more.
- still_grokking 5y agoThis looks really great. Didn't know about this company until now. Will have a close look as the phone seems amazing. Thanks people post such pearls on HN!
- qwerty456127 5y agoWhich hardware does it run on anyway? Can I install it on a PC? An old Android phone? reMarkable? RaspberryPi? PocketBook? Kindle? Perhaps VirtualBox?
- wojtekidd 5y agoYou can always run the OS on the phone simulator which is included in the repo.
- HotPopTart 5y agoI think what Mudita is doing is AMAZING. Their whole approach to technology is great.