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I firmly believe that one day we will find out the ancient world has a much bigger and overarching story than is currently known. And it will blow your mind. Th

I firmly believe that one day we will find out the ancient world has a much bigger and overarching story than is currently known. And it will blow your mind. The Korean-Tamil hypothesis comes to mind.

fedreserved 5y ago
Go down the Robert sepehr (has a channel on youtube) rabbit hole my friend. He's an anthropologist who has connected the dots in an interesting way if true.
- aww_dang 5y ago
  If nothing else his content generally stimulates my imagination.
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- dr_dshiv 5y ago
  Or read “A Story Waiting to Pierce You” by classical scholar Peter Kingsley. He gives evidence for shamanic influences at the origin of western civilization, namely through the friendship of Abaris and Pythagoras. Abaris was from the Steppes—and potentially from as far as Mongolia. He then speculates further about the shared cultural lineage between the Americas, which was populated by the steppe people circa up to 10k BCE, and the emergence of complex society around the Black Sea. A lot of speculation but all grounded in well-cited evidence. A short but fun read.
  - fedreserved 5y ago
    You would definitely enjoy the Robert sepehr rabbit hole. He hits on what you described and a whole lot more. Watching him, I'm like how is this information not more widely known. But I never have the time to do independent digging, to confirm or deny his research. But super entertaining.
amar-laksh 5y ago
Try the dawn of everything by david graeber. It does show the vibrant nature of the historic and pre-historic world. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-eve...
cto_of_antifa 5y ago
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ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
The thing that many modern people believe (incorrectly), is that primitive folks are not as smart as more developed people. They are every bit as smart (some might say, “smarter”); they just don’t have the social, physical, and logical infrastructure, or access to resources, that more developed societies have. I think that was the premise of Guns, Germs and Steel.
- agumonkey 5y ago
  There's also a different integration of skills. Knowing how to craft a reliable spear, how to operate it efficiently and how to lockdown prey to aim at is a serious set of skills. It's just not categorized as such in our era but its a blend of primitive mechanochemistry (glueing and tying sharp rocks to staff with ropelike fibers) merged with advanced survival Olympics and 24/7 without much of a safety net. All of these require more depth of focus than what most of us do on a daily basis.
- pixl97 5y ago
  You are only as capable as the society around you. Maybe that is something the rugged individualists among us should take to note.
  - trinsic2 5y ago
    We wouldn't have a civilization with out the pioneering work of individuals. Individualism and collectivism are tightly woven together. Both are needed, its a mistake to think that you can have one without the other. And actually many of the pioneering individuals had to transcend the boundaries of collectivism to actual make the world better. Tesla comes to mind.
    - colordrops 5y ago
      Sure, I don't think the comment you are responding to is advocating for pure collectivism though, just speaking to those who completely reject any aspects of it.
  - oliv__ 5y ago
jjtheblunt 5y ago
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=graham+hancock https://www.amazon.com/s?k=graham+hancock is Graham Hancock, who has written several famous books about the questions of what the loss of the library at Alexandria, to fire, did to the current ideas of history.
- zokula 5y ago
  Lol Graham Hancock is one of the biggest frauds and a liars.
  - Artistry121 5y ago
    Evidence?
ink_13 5y ago
> The Korean-Tamil hypothesis comes to mind This one doesn't seem to have a lot behind it. There are a handful of nice coincidences, but that's all.
dmitriid 5y ago
Any museum will show you that the ancient world was very big and very interconnected. And Mayans are positively modern by the ancient timelines (e.g. Egypt is more ancient).
IAmGraydon 5y ago
The Dravido-Koreanic hypothesis is probably a bad example as it’s considered to be complete quackery by pretty much everyone who studies language. It was first suggested in 1905 and was based off the Turanian language hypothesis, which was found to be completely incorrect long ago.
peter303 5y ago
Thats a part of the Greaber hypothesis in his new book The Dawn of Everything. He says anthropologists have had a too simplistic view of prehistory and people were more sophisticated than pop history gives them credit for.

fedreserved 5y ago

Go down the Robert sepehr (has a channel on youtube) rabbit hole my friend. He's an anthropologist who has connected the dots in an interesting way if true.

aww_dang 5y ago
If nothing else his content generally stimulates my imagination.
- deleted 5y ago
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dr_dshiv 5y ago
Or read “A Story Waiting to Pierce You” by classical scholar Peter Kingsley. He gives evidence for shamanic influences at the origin of western civilization, namely through the friendship of Abaris and Pythagoras. Abaris was from the Steppes—and potentially from as far as Mongolia. He then speculates further about the shared cultural lineage between the Americas, which was populated by the steppe people circa up to 10k BCE, and the emergence of complex society around the Black Sea. A lot of speculation but all grounded in well-cited evidence. A short but fun read.
- fedreserved 5y ago
  You would definitely enjoy the Robert sepehr rabbit hole. He hits on what you described and a whole lot more. Watching him, I'm like how is this information not more widely known. But I never have the time to do independent digging, to confirm or deny his research. But super entertaining.

amar-laksh 5y ago

Try the dawn of everything by david graeber. It does show the vibrant nature of the historic and pre-historic world. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-eve...

cto_of_antifa 5y ago

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ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago

The thing that many modern people believe (incorrectly), is that primitive folks are not as smart as more developed people. They are every bit as smart (some might say, “smarter”); they just don’t have the social, physical, and logical infrastructure, or access to resources, that more developed societies have. I think that was the premise of Guns, Germs and Steel.

agumonkey 5y ago
There's also a different integration of skills. Knowing how to craft a reliable spear, how to operate it efficiently and how to lockdown prey to aim at is a serious set of skills. It's just not categorized as such in our era but its a blend of primitive mechanochemistry (glueing and tying sharp rocks to staff with ropelike fibers) merged with advanced survival Olympics and 24/7 without much of a safety net. All of these require more depth of focus than what most of us do on a daily basis.
pixl97 5y ago
You are only as capable as the society around you. Maybe that is something the rugged individualists among us should take to note.
- trinsic2 5y ago
  We wouldn't have a civilization with out the pioneering work of individuals. Individualism and collectivism are tightly woven together. Both are needed, its a mistake to think that you can have one without the other. And actually many of the pioneering individuals had to transcend the boundaries of collectivism to actual make the world better. Tesla comes to mind.
  - colordrops 5y ago
    Sure, I don't think the comment you are responding to is advocating for pure collectivism though, just speaking to those who completely reject any aspects of it.
- oliv__ 5y ago

jjtheblunt 5y ago

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=graham+hancock https://www.amazon.com/s?k=graham+hancock is Graham Hancock, who has written several famous books about the questions of what the loss of the library at Alexandria, to fire, did to the current ideas of history.

zokula 5y ago
Lol Graham Hancock is one of the biggest frauds and a liars.
- Artistry121 5y ago
  Evidence?

ink_13 5y ago

> The Korean-Tamil hypothesis comes to mind This one doesn't seem to have a lot behind it. There are a handful of nice coincidences, but that's all.

dmitriid 5y ago

Any museum will show you that the ancient world was very big and very interconnected. And Mayans are positively modern by the ancient timelines (e.g. Egypt is more ancient).

IAmGraydon 5y ago

The Dravido-Koreanic hypothesis is probably a bad example as it’s considered to be complete quackery by pretty much everyone who studies language. It was first suggested in 1905 and was based off the Turanian language hypothesis, which was found to be completely incorrect long ago.

peter303 5y ago

Thats a part of the Greaber hypothesis in his new book The Dawn of Everything. He says anthropologists have had a too simplistic view of prehistory and people were more sophisticated than pop history gives them credit for.