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So as good as a vaccine basically?
by rafale 5y ago
So as good as a vaccine basically?
- jensensbutton 5y agoMinus the preventative part.
- rbut 5y agoPreventative of what? Serious disease? - The same/similar (though studies have shown this declines within 6 months). Op is correct. Catching/Transmission? - The current vaccines are systemic and not mucosal, so they don't stop it infecting the upper respiratory tract. - A recent study shows fully-vaccinated households can spread at similar rates to unvaccinated households [1] [1] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...
- spankalee 5y agoFrom your own link: "Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance."
- G79 5y agoas "good" as...as in...its effectiveness % reduces in line with the increase in profits?
- spazrunaway 5y agoI'm excited to hear the results of the pill among the vaccinated. Cutting the risk of severe symptoms among high-risk vaccinated people, and the risk of long covid for everyone is very important. The vaccines are great, but not silver bullets themselves.
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago"Long covid" is an urban legend.
- mikepurvis 5y agoReally? I don't think so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID#Further_reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID#Further_reading
- widjit 5y agoas someone who definitely had and suffered through long COVID, I would like to know what you think you are accomplishing by making false claims like this. do you think you're being edgy? what possible work is your ignorant comment doing?
- adventured 5y agoIt took me about six months to recover from Covid post infection. I got it in the early weeks of the pandemic; it took from around mid April to October of 2020 to get back to normal. I've felt fine since. I don't know what exactly they're calling long Covid these days, but the parent comment is pretty obviously ignorant.
- otabdeveloper4 5y agoLike the other guy said, "long everything" exists, and so-called "long Covid" isn't any different than long complications from garden-variety colds and flus. Attributing special powers specifically to Covid is just attention-seeking behavior.
- helge9210 5y agoIt does exist. Probably has the same symptoms as any other virus pneumonia.
- nsxwolf 5y agoLong-everything exists, we just don't talk about it. I've had multiple colds that lasted 2-3 months, and one that didn't completely resolve for almost 6 months.
- cbtacy 5y agoAs long as your definition of "good" doesn't include public health and you know "not killing other people", sure... it's as "good".
- merpnderp 5y agoPeople should get vaccinated. But at this point making claims that the vaccinated don't spread covid is not supported by the science.
- grey413 5y agoOn the other hand, claiming that the vaccinated spread the disease 63% less even in close household situations is supported by the science. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.14.21264959v...
- merpnderp 5y agoIf we made policy decisions based on a single paper, we'd all be taking HCQ and Ivermectin. And that study's confidence intervals are large. The upper bound looks like it could be in the same range for unvaccinated people.
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- gameswithgo 5y agoFor protecting yourself, probably, for protecting others and helping prevent the virus from spreading and mutating, no.
- ed25519FUUU 5y agoDidn’t we establish last week the vaccine is not effective at stopping the spread of the virus?
- chiefalchemist 5y agoMore or less yes. The initial narrative of the jab as panacea has since evolved. The talking point now focuses on reducing hospitalization and death. The bit about the jab stopping transmission has been dropped as the number of so called breakthrough cases increases. Press Secretary Jen Psaki comes to mind.
- sjg007 5y agoIf everyone was vaccinated it would make a big difference.
- orra 5y agoPeople act astonished the COVID vaccines aren't perfect. You mentioning universal vaccination is such a key point. Let's look at smallpox. We eliminated smallpox. Amazing! Yet, first, the smallpox vaccine wasn't perfect. It was 95% effective against infection. I would bet it's actually less than that. They probably mean symptomatic infection, because who was widely testing asymptomatic vaccinated people for smallpox? In contrast, symptomatic smallpox patients are pretty obviously and unambiguously infected with smallpox. Second, what's particularly interesting is if you were the only smallpox-vaccinated person in a house of a couple others, the vaccine efficacy fell to about two thirds. This isn't a world apart from the COVID vaccines. Two doses protects you 92-95% against severe disease. And two doses reduces the rate of transmission, if you end up infected, by 50% (this was 80%, pre Delta). As I said, people act astonished the COVID vaccines aren't perfect. In reality, they're just focusing on COVID efficacy in ways they never have with other vaccines. The COVID vaccines are substantially more effective than your typical seasonal flu jag, or the BCG. COVID vaccines are not a world apart in efficacy than the Smallpox vaccine—and we beat smallpox! Smallpox elimination required universal vaccination, but we managed.
- ralmeida 5y agoComparable individual outcome, worse societal outcome - you still spread it, so no reduction in overall cases, unlike a vaccine.
- helge9210 5y agoVaccine doesn't prevent spreading.
- gadders 5y agoI thought the latest research was that the vaccinated can still spread COVID?
- ralmeida 5y agoSome might, but not all, which is still a reduction
- nradov 5y agoI encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated if they can, but it does little to prevent spread. Over the long run we'll all be exposed no matter what we do. The real benefit of vaccines is in reducing the risk of severe symptoms. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
- dTP90pN 5y agoMinus the high safety profile current vaccines exhibit.
- dmingod666 5y agovaccines do not work if administered after infection -- this is after infection and symptoms.
- grey413 5y agoThey're apples and oranges, really. The best course of action to get a vaccine for the preventative effects and an antiviral if one has a breakthrough infection.