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Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Noogler: Haha, this video is so funny! L4 SWE: (Crying because the video is so true) L5 SWE: Haha, this video is s

Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Noogler: Haha, this video is so funny! L4 SWE: (Crying because the video is so true) L5 SWE: Haha, this video is so funny! I should show it to my interns, this will be a good training for them. L6+ SWE: Why do people think this is funny? This Broccoli Man guy makes some really good points...

belter 5y ago
L7+ SWE My life is a waste but the money is too good...
- kubb 5y ago
  This applies to every level, particularly the lower levels.
  - ikiris 5y ago
    it ain't much, but it's honest crying into piles of money
- tandr 5y ago
  How good?
  - riknos314 5y ago
    https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/L7/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi...
    - tandr 5y ago
      /me falls from the chair.
throw1234651234 5y ago
Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Exactly. This wasn't too relatable, even though I have the GCP Certified Architect cert.
- NikolaeVarius 5y ago
  Why would internal tooling mean anything to you? And why would GCP knowledge be useful in any way? Its fairly simple to extract the gist of what these systems from the script.
- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  As an ex Apple person, i'd say it means there's way too much hierarchy at Google? not sure i'm reading it right though
  - flatiron 5y ago
    we still had our processes though. Radar was my least favorite, but they replaced the ant eater app with one that was at least partially usable right before i left.
    - jjtheblunt 5y ago
      we'd say, about spoken mad scientist style requests, if it's not in radar, it never existed. :)
  - q3k 5y ago
    IMO/IME it's the clash between tooling, systems and and processes designed for running long-term highly scalable and reliable services maintained by teams in multiple geographical locations and used by billions of people; and greenfield projects that just want to get things done at an early stage. Requiring multi-cluster/region, the quota/resource economy system, handling PCRs, code review, readability approval for complex configuration languages (and the existence of such complex languages in the first place) ... all of that makes sense in a vacuum and all were built to handle real problems and are likely written in the blood of a near-miss outage. But it also all comes crashing down on you when you're doing things from scratch for a relatively simple usecase that no-one really designed for.
vanderZwan 5y ago
Not sure if "SWE" stands for software engineer, or "Sweden" as in Stockholm Syndrome
- praptak 5y ago
  Random synapse activation: A few years ago there was a Swedish tourist at a hotel where I was on vacation. He had a blue-yellow hat with "SWE" written on it in Courier font. I felt an urge to steal his hat because it looked better than most of the Google-branded swag I got as a Google SWE :)
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- keville 5y ago
  Why not both? :sob:
- frakkingcylons 5y ago
  Oh definitely Sweden.
cperciva 5y ago
Where does "these are really good points, but why don't we have tooling which sets everything up automatically?" fit on the scale?
- raldi 5y ago
  Or: These are really good points for a visibly-user-facing post-alpha service, but isn't it a bit overengineered for an experimental internal service whose clients can tolerate the risk of occasional downtime?
  - nostrademons 5y ago
    L5 Xoogler who left for a startup.
- nostrademons 5y ago
  L9+
  - packetslave 5y ago
    T7-T9 Vision
    - rahimiali 5y ago
      Is there a page that documents this anecdote? I’d like to link to it next time i use this phrase. Ironically, googling for it doesn’t turn up anything relevant.
      - tommiegannert 5y ago
        Google has officially apologized. The person in question had to take their blog offline due to bad behavior from readers (unrelated to Google AFAIK). Overall, this is a dark chapter. It's also been scrubbed internally. Not obliterated, but you won't accidentally bump into it as a Noogler. As much as I think people should take responsibility for their own actions, it's probably for the better to let this one rest now. Who caused it is irrelevant at this point, though. We (Xooglers, and Googlers) can take responsibility for our actions, and not continue perpetuating it.
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belter 5y ago

L7+ SWE My life is a waste but the money is too good...

kubb 5y ago
This applies to every level, particularly the lower levels.
- ikiris 5y ago
  it ain't much, but it's honest crying into piles of money
tandr 5y ago
How good?
- riknos314 5y ago
  https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engineer/L7/ https://www.levels.fyi/company/Google/salaries/Software-Engi...
  - tandr 5y ago
    /me falls from the chair.

throw1234651234 5y ago

Non-Googler: What do all those words mean? Exactly. This wasn't too relatable, even though I have the GCP Certified Architect cert.

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
Why would internal tooling mean anything to you? And why would GCP knowledge be useful in any way? Its fairly simple to extract the gist of what these systems from the script.
jjtheblunt 5y ago
As an ex Apple person, i'd say it means there's way too much hierarchy at Google? not sure i'm reading it right though
- flatiron 5y ago
  we still had our processes though. Radar was my least favorite, but they replaced the ant eater app with one that was at least partially usable right before i left.
  - jjtheblunt 5y ago
    we'd say, about spoken mad scientist style requests, if it's not in radar, it never existed. :)
- q3k 5y ago
  IMO/IME it's the clash between tooling, systems and and processes designed for running long-term highly scalable and reliable services maintained by teams in multiple geographical locations and used by billions of people; and greenfield projects that just want to get things done at an early stage. Requiring multi-cluster/region, the quota/resource economy system, handling PCRs, code review, readability approval for complex configuration languages (and the existence of such complex languages in the first place) ... all of that makes sense in a vacuum and all were built to handle real problems and are likely written in the blood of a near-miss outage. But it also all comes crashing down on you when you're doing things from scratch for a relatively simple usecase that no-one really designed for.

vanderZwan 5y ago

Not sure if "SWE" stands for software engineer, or "Sweden" as in Stockholm Syndrome

praptak 5y ago
Random synapse activation: A few years ago there was a Swedish tourist at a hotel where I was on vacation. He had a blue-yellow hat with "SWE" written on it in Courier font. I felt an urge to steal his hat because it looked better than most of the Google-branded swag I got as a Google SWE :)
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keville 5y ago
Why not both? :sob:
frakkingcylons 5y ago
Oh definitely Sweden.

cperciva 5y ago

Where does "these are really good points, but why don't we have tooling which sets everything up automatically?" fit on the scale?

raldi 5y ago
Or: These are really good points for a visibly-user-facing post-alpha service, but isn't it a bit overengineered for an experimental internal service whose clients can tolerate the risk of occasional downtime?
- nostrademons 5y ago
  L5 Xoogler who left for a startup.
nostrademons 5y ago
L9+
- packetslave 5y ago
  T7-T9 Vision
  - rahimiali 5y ago
    Is there a page that documents this anecdote? I’d like to link to it next time i use this phrase. Ironically, googling for it doesn’t turn up anything relevant.
    - tommiegannert 5y ago
      Google has officially apologized. The person in question had to take their blog offline due to bad behavior from readers (unrelated to Google AFAIK). Overall, this is a dark chapter. It's also been scrubbed internally. Not obliterated, but you won't accidentally bump into it as a Noogler. As much as I think people should take responsibility for their own actions, it's probably for the better to let this one rest now. Who caused it is irrelevant at this point, though. We (Xooglers, and Googlers) can take responsibility for our actions, and not continue perpetuating it.

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