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> A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure.

> A study estimated that nearly two-thirds of COVID-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. could be attributed to obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and heart failure. > This research further highlights the burden of heart and metabolic diseases in the U.S. Almost 3 in 4 U.S. adults is overweight or obese. Nearly half of people have prediabetes or diabetes. > “Medical providers should educate patients who may be at risk for severe COVID-19 and consider promoting preventive lifestyle measures, such as improved dietary quality and physical activity, to improve overall cardiometabolic health,” says O’Hearn. I'm sure I'll get downvoted for saying this but I find it interesting how we can go so far as to terminate large numbers of people from their jobs if they refuse to get vaccinated, even if they have natural immunity, but it's basically blasphemy to talk about how fat and metabolically and cardiovascularly unhealthy large numbers of people in countries like the US are[1]. Incidentally, it's becoming more and more evident that the people who are more likely to have bad outcomes in breakthrough cases are...the same people who are more likely to have bad outcomes when unvaccinated[2]. And there's even some evidence that men with high BMIs have poorer immune responses to the vaccines to begin with[3]. Which isn't surprising either. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/01/sweetgreen-ceos-linkedin-post-tying-covid-deaths-to-obesity-draws-backlash.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/01/sweetgreen-ceos-linkedin-pos... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/08/health/severe-breakthrough-cases-cdc-studies/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/08/health/severe-breakthrough-ca... [3] https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210907/COVID-19-vaccine-antibodies-inversely-related-to-BMI-in-obese-men-but-not-women.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210907/COVID-19-vaccine-...

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hfjkdh790sn 5y ago
> but it's basically blasphemy to talk about how fat and metabolically and cardiovascularly unhealthy large numbers of people in countries like the US are Not really that interesting. People don’t like to feel bad. Tell someone they have an unhealthy lifestyle and may die sooner (fat shaming), and they’ll feel bad. And if people feel bad, they won’t vote for you in the next election, or worse, they won’t buy your company’s product.
- vmception 5y ago
  and we know the virus is fat shaming the whole population from day one, everyone knows now there is no use worrying about how blasphemous it is to point that out because its already working - “at risk people” (of obvious risk we shall not name) are sheltering in place as if it was March 2020 - at least in my part of the US you can just talk to people online and tell there is a wide gulf of what reality is. there are people that have no idea that the worlds been opened up for most of the year and that gigantic hundred thousand+ music festivals are occurring have you been to a big event? its all lean young people it doesnt have to be said, its working on its own as people always had a choice to shelter without government instruction, government has helped lessened the consequence of that choice with subsidies at this point there is only a marginal utility in public policy adjusting to say “yeah only fat people and diabetics and hypertensioned should or should have followed these lockdown procedures while the rest of society never needed to”. Theres no point now. There would have been some theoretically optimal way for the economy to not disrupt but thats a moot point now. No official is ever going to say “oh whoops”, there is just maybe going to be some obscure paper modeling an optimal mitigation measure that never was.
greesil 5y ago
Your proposal is to fire fat people from their jobs because they pose a risk to.... others? In seriousness, the whole point of vaccination is public health, which means you're not doing it just for yourself but also for the person who's working next to you. That's why people are getting terminated.
- miles 5y ago
  > In seriousness, the whole point of vaccination is public health, which means you're not doing it just for yourself but the person who's working next to you. 9/23/2021: 99.7% of Waterford adults fully vaccinated against Covid-19 https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40704104.html https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40704104.html 10/11/2021: Waterford Now Has Highest Incidence of Covid in Ireland https://waterford-news.ie/2021/10/11/waterford-now-has-highest-incidence-of-covid-in-ireland/ https://waterford-news.ie/2021/10/11/waterford-now-has-highe... Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 Covid cases hit records in South Korea and Singapore despite widespread vaccinations https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/covid-cases-hit-records-in-south-korea-and-singapore-despite-widespread-vaccinations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/covid-cases-hit-rec... Chile sees Covid surge despite vaccination success https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801 World's Most Vaccinated Nation Is Spooked by Covid Spike https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/business/economy/covid-seychelles-sinopharm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/business/economy/covid-se... Vermont sees the biggest surge in COVID cases despite having the country's highest vaccination rate https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/vermont-covid-cases-vaccination-rate/ https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/vermont-covid-cases-vaccinati... Iceland has been a vaccination success. Why is it seeing a coronavirus surge? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/iceland-covid-surge-vaccines/2021/08/14/bdd88d04-fabd-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/iceland-covid-su... Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-6... Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-pandemics-vermont-d25aae90b2dda65b3d1c2c0d5d00156c https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-pande...
craftinator 5y ago
I think you're confused about why some unvaccinated people are being fired. It's not to be mean to them, it's to get them away from customers and employees so they don't pass it on and cause another shutdown. We've had fat people in the US for hundreds of years, and they still haven't caused a national shutdown.
- LurkingPenguin 5y ago
  > I think you're confused about why some unvaccinated people are being fired. It's not to be mean to them, it's to get them away from customers and employees so they don't pass it on and cause another shutdown. The greatest confusion here is found in comments like yours, which imply that the vaccines provide sterilizing immunity and stop transmission of the virus, which they do not. The latest on this: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036 As for "shutdowns", the rationale du jour in places where vaccination rates are high but restrictions are still in place, and where people are often unable to access non-emergency healthcare services, is that the hospitals are overwhelmed. The issue of obesity, diabetes, etc. is very pertinent to that, as the majority of the people being hospitalized have four comorbidities frequently associated with poor lifestyle choices. As for deaths, https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623 paints a very stark picture: > Taking data from over 160 countries, the report found linear correlations between a country’s covid-19 mortality and the proportion of adults that are overweight. There is not a single example of a country with less than 40% of the population overweight that has high death rates (over 10 per 100 000), the report said. Similarly, no country with a death rate over 100 per 100 000 had less than 50% of their population overweight. So maybe you should consider that "fat people" (as you call them) are a bigger pandemic problem than you argue. If "fat people" weren't clogging up the ICUs and dying, maybe it would be easier to start "living with the virus".
  - craftinator 5y ago
    > The greatest confusion here is found in comments like yours, which imply that the vaccines provide sterilizing immunity and stop transmission of the virus, which they do not. My comment does not imply that. It implies that a vaccinated person is less likely to spread it than an unvaccinated person, which is obviously true, given that the vaccine significantly lessens the chances of having it (if you don't have it, you won't spread it), and even for those who do get sick, it lessens the severity of the symptoms (a person coughing mucus and spit everywhere is more likely to spread it than someone who just has a fever).

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hfjkdh790sn 5y ago

> but it's basically blasphemy to talk about how fat and metabolically and cardiovascularly unhealthy large numbers of people in countries like the US are Not really that interesting. People don’t like to feel bad. Tell someone they have an unhealthy lifestyle and may die sooner (fat shaming), and they’ll feel bad. And if people feel bad, they won’t vote for you in the next election, or worse, they won’t buy your company’s product.

vmception 5y ago
and we know the virus is fat shaming the whole population from day one, everyone knows now there is no use worrying about how blasphemous it is to point that out because its already working - “at risk people” (of obvious risk we shall not name) are sheltering in place as if it was March 2020 - at least in my part of the US you can just talk to people online and tell there is a wide gulf of what reality is. there are people that have no idea that the worlds been opened up for most of the year and that gigantic hundred thousand+ music festivals are occurring have you been to a big event? its all lean young people it doesnt have to be said, its working on its own as people always had a choice to shelter without government instruction, government has helped lessened the consequence of that choice with subsidies at this point there is only a marginal utility in public policy adjusting to say “yeah only fat people and diabetics and hypertensioned should or should have followed these lockdown procedures while the rest of society never needed to”. Theres no point now. There would have been some theoretically optimal way for the economy to not disrupt but thats a moot point now. No official is ever going to say “oh whoops”, there is just maybe going to be some obscure paper modeling an optimal mitigation measure that never was.

greesil 5y ago

Your proposal is to fire fat people from their jobs because they pose a risk to.... others? In seriousness, the whole point of vaccination is public health, which means you're not doing it just for yourself but also for the person who's working next to you. That's why people are getting terminated.

miles 5y ago
> In seriousness, the whole point of vaccination is public health, which means you're not doing it just for yourself but the person who's working next to you. 9/23/2021: 99.7% of Waterford adults fully vaccinated against Covid-19 https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40704104.html https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40704104.html 10/11/2021: Waterford Now Has Highest Incidence of Covid in Ireland https://waterford-news.ie/2021/10/11/waterford-now-has-highest-incidence-of-covid-in-ireland/ https://waterford-news.ie/2021/10/11/waterford-now-has-highe... Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7 Covid cases hit records in South Korea and Singapore despite widespread vaccinations https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/covid-cases-hit-records-in-south-korea-and-singapore-despite-widespread-vaccinations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/covid-cases-hit-rec... Chile sees Covid surge despite vaccination success https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801 World's Most Vaccinated Nation Is Spooked by Covid Spike https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/business/economy/covid-seychelles-sinopharm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/business/economy/covid-se... Vermont sees the biggest surge in COVID cases despite having the country's highest vaccination rate https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/vermont-covid-cases-vaccination-rate/ https://fortune.com/2021/08/12/vermont-covid-cases-vaccinati... Iceland has been a vaccination success. Why is it seeing a coronavirus surge? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/iceland-covid-surge-vaccines/2021/08/14/bdd88d04-fabd-11eb-911c-524bc8b68f17_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/iceland-covid-su... Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-6... Virus surge hits New England despite high vaccination rates https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-pandemics-vermont-d25aae90b2dda65b3d1c2c0d5d00156c https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-pande...

craftinator 5y ago

I think you're confused about why some unvaccinated people are being fired. It's not to be mean to them, it's to get them away from customers and employees so they don't pass it on and cause another shutdown. We've had fat people in the US for hundreds of years, and they still haven't caused a national shutdown.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> I think you're confused about why some unvaccinated people are being fired. It's not to be mean to them, it's to get them away from customers and employees so they don't pass it on and cause another shutdown. The greatest confusion here is found in comments like yours, which imply that the vaccines provide sterilizing immunity and stop transmission of the virus, which they do not. The latest on this: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036 As for "shutdowns", the rationale du jour in places where vaccination rates are high but restrictions are still in place, and where people are often unable to access non-emergency healthcare services, is that the hospitals are overwhelmed. The issue of obesity, diabetes, etc. is very pertinent to that, as the majority of the people being hospitalized have four comorbidities frequently associated with poor lifestyle choices. As for deaths, https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623 paints a very stark picture: > Taking data from over 160 countries, the report found linear correlations between a country’s covid-19 mortality and the proportion of adults that are overweight. There is not a single example of a country with less than 40% of the population overweight that has high death rates (over 10 per 100 000), the report said. Similarly, no country with a death rate over 100 per 100 000 had less than 50% of their population overweight. So maybe you should consider that "fat people" (as you call them) are a bigger pandemic problem than you argue. If "fat people" weren't clogging up the ICUs and dying, maybe it would be easier to start "living with the virus".
- craftinator 5y ago
  > The greatest confusion here is found in comments like yours, which imply that the vaccines provide sterilizing immunity and stop transmission of the virus, which they do not. My comment does not imply that. It implies that a vaccinated person is less likely to spread it than an unvaccinated person, which is obviously true, given that the vaccine significantly lessens the chances of having it (if you don't have it, you won't spread it), and even for those who do get sick, it lessens the severity of the symptoms (a person coughing mucus and spit everywhere is more likely to spread it than someone who just has a fever).