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Sometimes I don't know what to believe. Wasn't there a counterpoint posted here on HN a while back? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24133315 https://news

Sometimes I don't know what to believe. Wasn't there a counterpoint posted here on HN a while back? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24133315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24133315

OscarCunningham 5y ago
The New Yorker doesn't read HN.
- drocer88 5y ago
  https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/the-lonely-work-of-moderating-hacker-news https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...
  - Enginerrrd 5y ago
    This was actually the article that put HN on my radar and brought me here.
tw04 5y ago
Without the full article it's tough to say, but my refute would be about my local environment. There has absolutely been a MASSIVE decline in NATIVE insects (among other things). Instead we have more asian beetles, emerald ash borers, and japanese beetles than you can shake a stick at. So while yes, technically the numbers may remain neutral, I'm not sure we can call it a healthy distribution.
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  > my refute would be about my local environment Is it an urban environment? Most people's environments isn't a reasonable reference.
  - tw04 5y ago
    That would be spread across a residence outside of the city, one inside city limits, and a cabin in the middle of nowhere. The only insect I'm aware of that seems to still be in full force that is native are mosquitos. Dragonflies, lightning bugs, lady bugs, moths, butterflies, etc. are sadly all rare sightings.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  No disrespect, but I'd feel more comfortable if the rebuttal was based on science and not an individual anecdote from some unknown individual on HN :)
  - tw04 5y ago
    No disrespect taken. There are countless studies backing up the finding of insect decline. I was simply throwing out a hypothesis of how someone could claim otherwise - they simply aren't measuring the appropriate way and/or they aren't accurately representing their results. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-confirm-alarmiang-insect-decline https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-c... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-confirm-alarmiang-insect-decline https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-c...
irthomasthomas 5y ago
And with the global greening trend too... https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004 https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004

Sometimes I don't know what to believe. Wasn't there a counterpoint posted here on HN a while back? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24133315 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24133315

OscarCunningham 5y ago

The New Yorker doesn't read HN.

drocer88 5y ago
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/the-lonely-work-of-moderating-hacker-news https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...
- Enginerrrd 5y ago
  This was actually the article that put HN on my radar and brought me here.

tw04 5y ago

Without the full article it's tough to say, but my refute would be about my local environment. There has absolutely been a MASSIVE decline in NATIVE insects (among other things). Instead we have more asian beetles, emerald ash borers, and japanese beetles than you can shake a stick at. So while yes, technically the numbers may remain neutral, I'm not sure we can call it a healthy distribution.

marcosdumay 5y ago
> my refute would be about my local environment Is it an urban environment? Most people's environments isn't a reasonable reference.
- tw04 5y ago
  That would be spread across a residence outside of the city, one inside city limits, and a cabin in the middle of nowhere. The only insect I'm aware of that seems to still be in full force that is native are mosquitos. Dragonflies, lightning bugs, lady bugs, moths, butterflies, etc. are sadly all rare sightings.
rootusrootus 5y ago
No disrespect, but I'd feel more comfortable if the rebuttal was based on science and not an individual anecdote from some unknown individual on HN :)
- tw04 5y ago
  No disrespect taken. There are countless studies backing up the finding of insect decline. I was simply throwing out a hypothesis of how someone could claim otherwise - they simply aren't measuring the appropriate way and/or they aren't accurately representing their results. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-confirm-alarmiang-insect-decline https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-c... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-confirm-alarmiang-insect-decline https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/studies-c...

irthomasthomas 5y ago

And with the global greening trend too... https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004 https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3004