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Some highlights from the Wired cookie popup: Audience Measurement Targeting Cookies Social Media Cookies Store and/or access information on a device Create

Some highlights from the Wired cookie popup: Audience Measurement Targeting Cookies Social Media Cookies Store and/or access information on a device Create a personalised ads profile Select personalised ads Create a personalised content profile Select personalised content Measure ad performance Measure content performance Apply market research to generate audience insights Use precise geolocation data Actively scan device characteristics for identification Link different devices Receive and use automatically-sent device characteristics for identification

webmobdev 5y ago
This seems like a deflection - every media platform on the internet relies on the advertising platforms of BigTech in some way. Ultimately, all your data end up there somehow.
- medstrom 5y ago
  Yes, it's not very relevant for an opinion piece how and where it's published. I could make a video that criticises YouTube and it still makes sense to put it on YouTube.
- krageon 5y ago
  This is fatalistic and wrong. There are plenty of platforms that do not sell you out in this manner (personal blogs run by ethical people exist, for one) and the platforms that do not deserve to be called out for their bad behaviour.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    Ok, I get that some of you think it is hypocritical. Now that has been exposed - Does that mean the article is irrelevant? Do the facts change that Apple has been shifting and redefining its stance on user privacy and data collection to suit its business at the expense of its users privacy?
    - krageon 5y ago
      Apple has always been evil and buying it's goods has never been a good idea. I have not disputed that.
      - bottled_poe 5y ago
        great, and which altruistic companies should we buy from instead?
        fsflover 5y ago
        Purism.
        matheusmoreira 5y ago
        The pinephone seems like a pretty good option.
- jmull 5y ago
  It seems relevant to me. Wired is trying to redefine “surveillance” to mean people collecting and sharing their own information, while at the same time conducting real, detailed surveillance on anyone reading this article. You might wonder if they being completely disingenuous.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Can't you read the article for free on Wired, unlike with Apple products that you have to pay for and still are subject to excessive data collections that you often have no control over? (And it's the ad platforms that are doing the detailed surveillance - similar to the one Apple is working on again to serve better" personalised ads"). Even if some of you do believe this is hypocrisy, does it in anyway change the facts highlighted in the article?
    - selsta 5y ago
      Apple asks you if you want personalized ads in the app store and news app: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalized-ads-ios-15-prompt-app-tracking https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalize...
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      > Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Do the stalkers ever defend themselves by claiming they never said they wouldn't stalk people? No, that's an utterly ridicuous notion. Stalking is illegal, nobody likes being surveilled by some stranger at all times. Whether they warned the victim of their intent is completely irrelevant.
      - webmobdev 5y ago
        If that same analogy were applied to Apple, it would be the manipulative and abusive boyfriend in this context.
amelius 5y ago
Yes, Wired is bad too. That doesn't mean Apple is somehow good.
- schleck8 5y ago
  I agree, I just thought it was funny to get this popup before reading the article.
- croes 5y ago
  But it's weird to say Apple normalized surveillance when websites did it long before.
  - version_five 5y ago
    Tracking you online, while an invasion of privacy, is not the same as tracking you in real life. I don't believe this is Apple's fault alone (not mentioning google would be a massive omission and everyone else would like to track you too but just doesn't have the scale). But what is being done with phone tracking is much more than just cookies
    - ganzuul 5y ago
      > Tracking you online, while an invasion of privacy, is not the same as tracking you in real life. That was true a decade ago, but time flies.
    - ootsootsoots 5y ago
      Websites can and many do gather various types of location data to have an idea you’ve moved around. Don’t try to equivocate this away. The technology to enable it is software; software is everywhere. We can use WiFi to echo locate people in buildings. We know what we’re doing in technology. HUMANS are paranoid by default in order to survive. We’ve seen again and again in history; new technology goes straight into agency control militarization. Don’t be naive. We’re all doing it because we all watch each other normalize it. Mirror neurons and social obligations; sign up, sign in, consume and let us collect your metrics.
cblconfederate 5y ago
Wired has nowhere near the power of Apple to change the behavior of people wrt spying
twobitshifter 5y ago
In top of that this is a WiredUK article. Of all the existing pervasive normalized surveillance in the UK why are they targeting Apple for “normalizing surveillance”?
nonameiguess 5y ago
I think it's unfortunate that commenters so often conflate authors with publishing platforms. Presumably, Wired, like just about any reputable media outlet, gives some amount of editorial independence to the writing staff to isolate them from the business side. In fact, the author in this case isn't even employed by Wired. She's a professor of Ethics at Oxford. This raises the obvious question: do people with opinions need to agree with all the practices of a publishing platform to submit their opinion to it? I doubt I agree with all of Hacker News' business practices, let alone Y Combinator's, yet here I am allowing my words to be forever served by them.
resonious 5y ago
Super off topic but does anyone go through these with a fine comb and pick the ones you want? Link different devices? No way. Select personalized ads? Sure!!
- deleted 5y ago
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99mans 5y ago
This is painfully stupid. Apple having literal backdoors on everyone's lives is the same as social media cookies? You must be an Apple apologist or stock holder.

webmobdev 5y ago

This seems like a deflection - every media platform on the internet relies on the advertising platforms of BigTech in some way. Ultimately, all your data end up there somehow.

medstrom 5y ago
Yes, it's not very relevant for an opinion piece how and where it's published. I could make a video that criticises YouTube and it still makes sense to put it on YouTube.
krageon 5y ago
This is fatalistic and wrong. There are plenty of platforms that do not sell you out in this manner (personal blogs run by ethical people exist, for one) and the platforms that do not deserve to be called out for their bad behaviour.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  Ok, I get that some of you think it is hypocritical. Now that has been exposed - Does that mean the article is irrelevant? Do the facts change that Apple has been shifting and redefining its stance on user privacy and data collection to suit its business at the expense of its users privacy?
  - krageon 5y ago
    Apple has always been evil and buying it's goods has never been a good idea. I have not disputed that.
    - bottled_poe 5y ago
      great, and which altruistic companies should we buy from instead?
      - fsflover 5y ago
        Purism.
      - matheusmoreira 5y ago
        The pinephone seems like a pretty good option.
jmull 5y ago
It seems relevant to me. Wired is trying to redefine “surveillance” to mean people collecting and sharing their own information, while at the same time conducting real, detailed surveillance on anyone reading this article. You might wonder if they being completely disingenuous.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Can't you read the article for free on Wired, unlike with Apple products that you have to pay for and still are subject to excessive data collections that you often have no control over? (And it's the ad platforms that are doing the detailed surveillance - similar to the one Apple is working on again to serve better" personalised ads"). Even if some of you do believe this is hypocrisy, does it in anyway change the facts highlighted in the article?
  - selsta 5y ago
    Apple asks you if you want personalized ads in the app store and news app: https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalized-ads-ios-15-prompt-app-tracking https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654121/apple-personalize...
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > Has Wired, like Apple, claimed at any time that it won't do so? Do the stalkers ever defend themselves by claiming they never said they wouldn't stalk people? No, that's an utterly ridicuous notion. Stalking is illegal, nobody likes being surveilled by some stranger at all times. Whether they warned the victim of their intent is completely irrelevant.
    - webmobdev 5y ago
      If that same analogy were applied to Apple, it would be the manipulative and abusive boyfriend in this context.

amelius 5y ago

Yes, Wired is bad too. That doesn't mean Apple is somehow good.

schleck8 5y ago
I agree, I just thought it was funny to get this popup before reading the article.
croes 5y ago
But it's weird to say Apple normalized surveillance when websites did it long before.
- version_five 5y ago
  Tracking you online, while an invasion of privacy, is not the same as tracking you in real life. I don't believe this is Apple's fault alone (not mentioning google would be a massive omission and everyone else would like to track you too but just doesn't have the scale). But what is being done with phone tracking is much more than just cookies
  - ganzuul 5y ago
    > Tracking you online, while an invasion of privacy, is not the same as tracking you in real life. That was true a decade ago, but time flies.
  - ootsootsoots 5y ago
    Websites can and many do gather various types of location data to have an idea you’ve moved around. Don’t try to equivocate this away. The technology to enable it is software; software is everywhere. We can use WiFi to echo locate people in buildings. We know what we’re doing in technology. HUMANS are paranoid by default in order to survive. We’ve seen again and again in history; new technology goes straight into agency control militarization. Don’t be naive. We’re all doing it because we all watch each other normalize it. Mirror neurons and social obligations; sign up, sign in, consume and let us collect your metrics.

cblconfederate 5y ago

Wired has nowhere near the power of Apple to change the behavior of people wrt spying

twobitshifter 5y ago

In top of that this is a WiredUK article. Of all the existing pervasive normalized surveillance in the UK why are they targeting Apple for “normalizing surveillance”?

nonameiguess 5y ago

I think it's unfortunate that commenters so often conflate authors with publishing platforms. Presumably, Wired, like just about any reputable media outlet, gives some amount of editorial independence to the writing staff to isolate them from the business side. In fact, the author in this case isn't even employed by Wired. She's a professor of Ethics at Oxford. This raises the obvious question: do people with opinions need to agree with all the practices of a publishing platform to submit their opinion to it? I doubt I agree with all of Hacker News' business practices, let alone Y Combinator's, yet here I am allowing my words to be forever served by them.

resonious 5y ago

Super off topic but does anyone go through these with a fine comb and pick the ones you want? Link different devices? No way. Select personalized ads? Sure!!

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99mans 5y ago

This is painfully stupid. Apple having literal backdoors on everyone's lives is the same as social media cookies? You must be an Apple apologist or stock holder.