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It feels more dystopian than futuristic. There are countries where children don't have to commute in large groups to avoid crime.

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VBprogrammer 5y ago
I think the safety is to do with road traffic rather than deliberate criminality.
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mejutoco 5y ago
Barcelona is not a place where children have to commute in large groups to avoid crime. I do not know where you got that idea.
- ResearchCode 5y ago
  Got the idea from them being one of the crime capitals of Europe where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance. Could also be a little bit of the middle class being priced out of driving cars. Futurism in the Davos sense perhaps. You will own nothing...
  - asdfwefdadsf 5y ago
    Please provide a source for Barcelona being a crime capital of Europe.
    - ResearchCode 5y ago
      For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. (Entertaining the question as if my claim was more controversial than any other in this thread, that is, as if Barcelona was not infamous as a crime ridden s hole where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance.)
      - vidarh 5y ago
        Putting "crime capitals of Europe" into Google gets me multiple lists, only one of which includes Barcelona. The one which includes it places it 26th in Europe, behind a whole lot of cities I've felt totally safe in.
        pvaldes 5y ago
        Feeling safe in the street is one thing, but those ranks miss that the big fat crime will try its best to be invisible and unnoticed. January 2021: "Police in Spain have reported the seizure of 827000 ecstasy pills, 76 Kg of amphetamine, 39.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, 89 kg of cannabis, and 1.65 kg of cocaine in what they claim to be the biggest drug haul in Europe" https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-haul-of-ecstasy-in-europe https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-... Barcelona still has a huge problem with drugs In this sense, yes, has well earned sadly a place among European crime capitals. Indirect analysis as looking for sewage water biomarkers, place Barcelona among the European cities with a biggest abuse of cocaine, slightly bigger than London. This means that 5 millions of citizens in Barcelona consume more cocaine that 9 millions in London, so they almost double the average dose per capita. Antwerp (half a million) is a disaster doubling the London/Barcelona values in a weekend. They could go to Barcelona to detox. Those are recent values taken from here: https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-water-analysis_en https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-wa...
        vidarh 5y ago
        Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources. With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming all use is abuse is a severely puritan value judgement. I'd much rather be around an ecstasy or cannabis user than an alcohol user for example.
  - mrexroad 5y ago
    ?? I spent 3 months studying there a while back. To me, Barcelona felt safer there than most large American cities that I’ve lived in. One “problem” was petty crime that seemed to mostly target tourists—-vigilance was indeed the solution… but more of “mind your surroundings” than “war zone.”
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Every city I’ve ever been to in my entire life is more dangerous for tourists than residents. They’re easy targets, since they usually have expensive gear and don’t understand the area. I wouldn’t judge a city based on the experience of tourists in it.
      - VBprogrammer 5y ago
        I haven't been to Barcelona in something approaching 10 years and I only spent a week there when I did. I had an amazing time and it was one of the most exciting cities I've ever visited. That said, the amount of criminality on show to your average tourist was surprising. Offers of drugs and being accosted by prostitutes in the street was common place, not to mention lower level crime like graffiti and people selling beers on the street. I think someone would be forgiven for coming away with the wrong impression of it as a city.
        ashtonkem 5y ago
        Honestly, sounds a lot like Venice Beach, CA. Well, except for the beers. Americans are very much not okay with public drinking.
  - Daishiman 5y ago
    "The crime capital of Europe" is a literal walk in the park compared to any metropolis in the Americas.
ashtonkem 5y ago
No, it’s to protect them from cars, which are by and far one of the biggest dangers to children

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VBprogrammer 5y ago

I think the safety is to do with road traffic rather than deliberate criminality.

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mejutoco 5y ago

Barcelona is not a place where children have to commute in large groups to avoid crime. I do not know where you got that idea.

ResearchCode 5y ago
Got the idea from them being one of the crime capitals of Europe where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance. Could also be a little bit of the middle class being priced out of driving cars. Futurism in the Davos sense perhaps. You will own nothing...
- asdfwefdadsf 5y ago
  Please provide a source for Barcelona being a crime capital of Europe.
  - ResearchCode 5y ago
    For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. (Entertaining the question as if my claim was more controversial than any other in this thread, that is, as if Barcelona was not infamous as a crime ridden s hole where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance.)
    - vidarh 5y ago
      Putting "crime capitals of Europe" into Google gets me multiple lists, only one of which includes Barcelona. The one which includes it places it 26th in Europe, behind a whole lot of cities I've felt totally safe in.
      - pvaldes 5y ago
        Feeling safe in the street is one thing, but those ranks miss that the big fat crime will try its best to be invisible and unnoticed. January 2021: "Police in Spain have reported the seizure of 827000 ecstasy pills, 76 Kg of amphetamine, 39.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, 89 kg of cannabis, and 1.65 kg of cocaine in what they claim to be the biggest drug haul in Europe" https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-haul-of-ecstasy-in-europe https://www.addictionjournal.org/posts/police-seize-largest-... Barcelona still has a huge problem with drugs In this sense, yes, has well earned sadly a place among European crime capitals. Indirect analysis as looking for sewage water biomarkers, place Barcelona among the European cities with a biggest abuse of cocaine, slightly bigger than London. This means that 5 millions of citizens in Barcelona consume more cocaine that 9 millions in London, so they almost double the average dose per capita. Antwerp (half a million) is a disaster doubling the London/Barcelona values in a weekend. They could go to Barcelona to detox. Those are recent values taken from here: https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-water-analysis_en https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-wa...
        vidarh 5y ago
        Being "safe on the streets" is what this discussion was about. Drug use is irrelevant to what was being discussed, with user "ResearchCode" claiming that Barcelona is a place where people "are asked to practice war zone vigilance", something they've failed to back up with any kind of sources. With respect to the drug use, I don't buy that measuring use is a valid proxy for measuring abuse or "disasters" - assuming all use is abuse is a severely puritan value judgement. I'd much rather be around an ecstasy or cannabis user than an alcohol user for example.
- mrexroad 5y ago
  ?? I spent 3 months studying there a while back. To me, Barcelona felt safer there than most large American cities that I’ve lived in. One “problem” was petty crime that seemed to mostly target tourists—-vigilance was indeed the solution… but more of “mind your surroundings” than “war zone.”
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    Every city I’ve ever been to in my entire life is more dangerous for tourists than residents. They’re easy targets, since they usually have expensive gear and don’t understand the area. I wouldn’t judge a city based on the experience of tourists in it.
    - VBprogrammer 5y ago
      I haven't been to Barcelona in something approaching 10 years and I only spent a week there when I did. I had an amazing time and it was one of the most exciting cities I've ever visited. That said, the amount of criminality on show to your average tourist was surprising. Offers of drugs and being accosted by prostitutes in the street was common place, not to mention lower level crime like graffiti and people selling beers on the street. I think someone would be forgiven for coming away with the wrong impression of it as a city.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        Honestly, sounds a lot like Venice Beach, CA. Well, except for the beers. Americans are very much not okay with public drinking.
- Daishiman 5y ago
  "The crime capital of Europe" is a literal walk in the park compared to any metropolis in the Americas.

ashtonkem 5y ago

No, it’s to protect them from cars, which are by and far one of the biggest dangers to children