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Maybe all these snowpiercer, squid games, parasite narratives are having an effect? Its like all these dystopic, zombie, monster, battle royale movies and shows

Maybe all these snowpiercer, squid games, parasite narratives are having an effect? Its like all these dystopic, zombie, monster, battle royale movies and shows are just expressing the never ending exploitaion and helplessness around people.

ogogmad 5y ago
Which movies?
- rightbyte 5y ago
  He should have namedropped 'Parasite'. It is a drama though.
  - lotsofpulp 5y ago
    They did… > Maybe all these snowpiercer, squid games, parasite narratives are having an effect?
    - smolder 5y ago
      Maybe the comment was edited?
HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
> the never ending exploitaion and helplessness I heard recently that we deliver something like 130k people out of poverty each day. Do you know of a measure of human well-being that's decreasing?
paxys 5y ago
I’d wager it’s the other way around. Income inequality and worker discontent has been growing worldwide for many years. New movies and shows being produced reflect that social sentiment and get popular because people can relate.
- sumtechguy 5y ago
  There is that. But for SK movies/tv it has for many years 'dude check this crazy thing out', and movie makers tend to follow trends...
emptyfile 5y ago
Well the article pretty clearly spells out the reasons, chief among them, you just need to read it >Abolish “irregular work” (part-time, temporary or contract labor with little or no benefits) and extend labor protections to all workers Or maybe a fucking tv show told them to do it...
- anovikov 5y ago
  That could make so much work and so many industries just impossible... If that wasn't possible, i could never be a programmer and i could never build my business later. None of my world would exist. I have no idea what i'd even do.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    Why couldn't you be a programmer? Does your code stop working if workers have better protection?
    - Tenoke 5y ago
      Presumably it takes away many more flexible opportunities if you can't freely freelance.
      - cced 5y ago
        Surely we can be a bit imaginative and allow freelancers the ability to do this without forcing everyone to be labeled as such..
        justshowpost 5y ago
        No, this implies you will have to register as freelancer/self-employed and pay socsec tax. Makes me wonder, what overall tax burden is in Korea. Can they afford raising it to 65-80%?
        refurb 5y ago
        Of course! We need to make appropriate carve outs! Just like AB5 in California that banned outside consultants except for a laundry list of hundreds of occupations except ride sharing.
chii 5y ago
> narratives are having an effect? art imitates life which imitates art. It's a cycle.
toyg 5y ago
It's a bit like asking if Easy Rider or Apocalypse Now "had an effect" on 60s and 70s counterculture - they were children of their times and they reinforced their narratives.
lemoncookiechip 5y ago
I can tell you from personal experience that pretty much every Kdrama show I can think of, has the same narrative of the "Elite" being corrupt and abusing it's power and influence to do what they want vs the middle and poorer classes. Maybe not always as the focus of the story, but it's a common element. And it's not just the popular shows that make it big internationally. I guess it's ingrained into their culture. I'll name a few shows that come to mind (also recommend them): Itaewon Class: About a young man fighting the CEO of a mega company after he ruined his life. Vincenzo: An Italian mafia consigliere/lawyer finds himself fighting against a mega corporation who uses mafia like tactics. Save Me: A girl who is trapped in a cult is saved by her former classmates. The cult is heavily involved with politicians and other powerful figures (including the police) who keep people who try to go against the cult in check. The Uncanny Counter: A supernatural show with the main plot involving political corruption that spreads as far as the police, media... The themes are always very similar, political corruption, corrupted law enforcement and judicial bodies, mega corps getting away with severe crimes by using money, the little people being unable to go after the rich unless they have irrefutable proof and even then... classism and economic inequality.
- bart_spoon 5y ago
  Its not unique to Korean shows either. There's plenty of shows with similar themes in the US. Billions, Succession, Mr. Robot, etc.
- strikelaserclaw 5y ago
  sky castle - how even the most privileged people need to cheat to get admittance to elite universities (which are assumed to determine the life of a person).
  - fellellor 5y ago
    Misaeng - how mega corporations won’t give you a chance even if you only want to do a good job for said corporation in the first place.
- lcedp 5y ago
watwut 5y ago
I did not found parasite to be exploitative, dystopic, zombie, monster, battle royalle movie? It was cross between comedy and something serious, but the rich family did not stricken me as all that horribly exploiting them.
- mola 5y ago
  I think you should rewatch it while actively looking for this perspective. I think it's a rather clever satire about class exploitation.
  - watwut 5y ago
    It is clever satire. And it is not nearly as simple movie as you this makes it to be. When you actively watch for perspective in the movie, you will find it. You will find those 10 minutes that confirm what you want to see.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      That is because the author didn't intend for a personal critique of class exploitation, but for a societal critique. So if you think that a critique exploitation means that the movie has to portray rich people as personally evil you won't find it. If you admit that such a critique can be predominantly systemic you will find it. The lower classes fighting amongst themselves needlessly because they don't see that they can work together is like, class struggle 101.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  That's because it wasn't about rich and poor and their roles in society. It was about rich and poor and how each one differs significantly. So many people read the wrong way into that movie and it's disappointing. It has absolutely nothing to do with "class clashing or class struggling against each other" no matter how much the media wants to make you think that.
  - watwut 5y ago
MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
How is „Parasite“ supposed to be left-wing? I honestly fail to see how it can be interpreted that way.
- yodsanklai 5y ago
  Think about who are the actual parasites in the movie...
  - MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
    They literally behave like parasites, thus the title. Reminder that this is the plot: The Kims - mother and father Chung-sook and Ki-taek, and their young adult offspring, son Ki-woo and daughter Ki-jung - are a poor family living in a shabby and cramped half basement apartment in a busy lower working class commercial district of Seoul. Without even knowing it, they, especially Mr. and Mrs. Kim, literally smell of poverty. Often as a collective, they perpetrate minor scams to get by, and even when they have jobs, they do the minimum work required. Ki-woo is the one who has dreams of getting out of poverty by one day going to university. Despite not having that university education, Ki-woo is chosen by his university student friend Min, who is leaving to go to school, to take over his tutoring job to Park Da-hye, who Min plans to date once he returns to Seoul and she herself is in university. The Parks are a wealthy family who for four years have lived in their modernistic house designed by and the former residence of famed architect Namgoong. While Mr. and Mrs. Park are all about status, Mrs. Park has a flighty, simpleminded mentality and temperament, which Min tells Ki-woo to feel comfortable in lying to her about his education to get the job. In getting the job, Ki-woo further learns that Mrs. Park is looking for an art therapist for the Parks' adolescent son, Da-song, Ki-woo quickly recommending his professional art therapist friend "Jessica", really Ki-jung who he knows can pull off the scam in being the easiest liar of the four Kims. In Ki-woo also falling for Da-hye, he begins to envision himself in that house, and thus the Kims as a collective start a plan for all the Kims, like Ki-jung using assumed names, to replace existing servants in the Parks' employ in orchestrating reasons for them to be fired. The most difficult to get rid of may be Moon-gwang, the Parks' housekeeper who literally came with the house - she Namgoong's housekeeper when he lived there - and thus knows all the little nooks and crannies of it better than the Parks themselves. The question then becomes how far the Kims can take this scam in their quest to become their version of the Parks.
Markoff 5y ago
sure, general strike where it's participating 1.8% economically active population /facepalm and in the end it was 16K instead 500K, I can't even count that low - 0.06% of active population ??

ogogmad 5y ago

Which movies?

rightbyte 5y ago
He should have namedropped 'Parasite'. It is a drama though.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  They did… > Maybe all these snowpiercer, squid games, parasite narratives are having an effect?
  - smolder 5y ago
    Maybe the comment was edited?

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago

> the never ending exploitaion and helplessness I heard recently that we deliver something like 130k people out of poverty each day. Do you know of a measure of human well-being that's decreasing?

paxys 5y ago

I’d wager it’s the other way around. Income inequality and worker discontent has been growing worldwide for many years. New movies and shows being produced reflect that social sentiment and get popular because people can relate.

sumtechguy 5y ago
There is that. But for SK movies/tv it has for many years 'dude check this crazy thing out', and movie makers tend to follow trends...

emptyfile 5y ago

Well the article pretty clearly spells out the reasons, chief among them, you just need to read it >Abolish “irregular work” (part-time, temporary or contract labor with little or no benefits) and extend labor protections to all workers Or maybe a fucking tv show told them to do it...

anovikov 5y ago
That could make so much work and so many industries just impossible... If that wasn't possible, i could never be a programmer and i could never build my business later. None of my world would exist. I have no idea what i'd even do.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Why couldn't you be a programmer? Does your code stop working if workers have better protection?
  - Tenoke 5y ago
    Presumably it takes away many more flexible opportunities if you can't freely freelance.
    - cced 5y ago
      Surely we can be a bit imaginative and allow freelancers the ability to do this without forcing everyone to be labeled as such..
      - justshowpost 5y ago
        No, this implies you will have to register as freelancer/self-employed and pay socsec tax. Makes me wonder, what overall tax burden is in Korea. Can they afford raising it to 65-80%?
      - refurb 5y ago
        Of course! We need to make appropriate carve outs! Just like AB5 in California that banned outside consultants except for a laundry list of hundreds of occupations except ride sharing.

chii 5y ago

> narratives are having an effect? art imitates life which imitates art. It's a cycle.

toyg 5y ago

It's a bit like asking if Easy Rider or Apocalypse Now "had an effect" on 60s and 70s counterculture - they were children of their times and they reinforced their narratives.

lemoncookiechip 5y ago

I can tell you from personal experience that pretty much every Kdrama show I can think of, has the same narrative of the "Elite" being corrupt and abusing it's power and influence to do what they want vs the middle and poorer classes. Maybe not always as the focus of the story, but it's a common element. And it's not just the popular shows that make it big internationally. I guess it's ingrained into their culture. I'll name a few shows that come to mind (also recommend them): Itaewon Class: About a young man fighting the CEO of a mega company after he ruined his life. Vincenzo: An Italian mafia consigliere/lawyer finds himself fighting against a mega corporation who uses mafia like tactics. Save Me: A girl who is trapped in a cult is saved by her former classmates. The cult is heavily involved with politicians and other powerful figures (including the police) who keep people who try to go against the cult in check. The Uncanny Counter: A supernatural show with the main plot involving political corruption that spreads as far as the police, media... The themes are always very similar, political corruption, corrupted law enforcement and judicial bodies, mega corps getting away with severe crimes by using money, the little people being unable to go after the rich unless they have irrefutable proof and even then... classism and economic inequality.

bart_spoon 5y ago
Its not unique to Korean shows either. There's plenty of shows with similar themes in the US. Billions, Succession, Mr. Robot, etc.
strikelaserclaw 5y ago
sky castle - how even the most privileged people need to cheat to get admittance to elite universities (which are assumed to determine the life of a person).
- fellellor 5y ago
  Misaeng - how mega corporations won’t give you a chance even if you only want to do a good job for said corporation in the first place.
lcedp 5y ago

watwut 5y ago

I did not found parasite to be exploitative, dystopic, zombie, monster, battle royalle movie? It was cross between comedy and something serious, but the rich family did not stricken me as all that horribly exploiting them.

mola 5y ago
I think you should rewatch it while actively looking for this perspective. I think it's a rather clever satire about class exploitation.
- watwut 5y ago
  It is clever satire. And it is not nearly as simple movie as you this makes it to be. When you actively watch for perspective in the movie, you will find it. You will find those 10 minutes that confirm what you want to see.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    That is because the author didn't intend for a personal critique of class exploitation, but for a societal critique. So if you think that a critique exploitation means that the movie has to portray rich people as personally evil you won't find it. If you admit that such a critique can be predominantly systemic you will find it. The lower classes fighting amongst themselves needlessly because they don't see that they can work together is like, class struggle 101.
seoulmetro 5y ago
That's because it wasn't about rich and poor and their roles in society. It was about rich and poor and how each one differs significantly. So many people read the wrong way into that movie and it's disappointing. It has absolutely nothing to do with "class clashing or class struggling against each other" no matter how much the media wants to make you think that.
- watwut 5y ago

MrBuddyCasino 5y ago

How is „Parasite“ supposed to be left-wing? I honestly fail to see how it can be interpreted that way.

yodsanklai 5y ago
Think about who are the actual parasites in the movie...
- MrBuddyCasino 5y ago
  They literally behave like parasites, thus the title. Reminder that this is the plot: The Kims - mother and father Chung-sook and Ki-taek, and their young adult offspring, son Ki-woo and daughter Ki-jung - are a poor family living in a shabby and cramped half basement apartment in a busy lower working class commercial district of Seoul. Without even knowing it, they, especially Mr. and Mrs. Kim, literally smell of poverty. Often as a collective, they perpetrate minor scams to get by, and even when they have jobs, they do the minimum work required. Ki-woo is the one who has dreams of getting out of poverty by one day going to university. Despite not having that university education, Ki-woo is chosen by his university student friend Min, who is leaving to go to school, to take over his tutoring job to Park Da-hye, who Min plans to date once he returns to Seoul and she herself is in university. The Parks are a wealthy family who for four years have lived in their modernistic house designed by and the former residence of famed architect Namgoong. While Mr. and Mrs. Park are all about status, Mrs. Park has a flighty, simpleminded mentality and temperament, which Min tells Ki-woo to feel comfortable in lying to her about his education to get the job. In getting the job, Ki-woo further learns that Mrs. Park is looking for an art therapist for the Parks' adolescent son, Da-song, Ki-woo quickly recommending his professional art therapist friend "Jessica", really Ki-jung who he knows can pull off the scam in being the easiest liar of the four Kims. In Ki-woo also falling for Da-hye, he begins to envision himself in that house, and thus the Kims as a collective start a plan for all the Kims, like Ki-jung using assumed names, to replace existing servants in the Parks' employ in orchestrating reasons for them to be fired. The most difficult to get rid of may be Moon-gwang, the Parks' housekeeper who literally came with the house - she Namgoong's housekeeper when he lived there - and thus knows all the little nooks and crannies of it better than the Parks themselves. The question then becomes how far the Kims can take this scam in their quest to become their version of the Parks.

Markoff 5y ago

sure, general strike where it's participating 1.8% economically active population /facepalm and in the end it was 16K instead 500K, I can't even count that low - 0.06% of active population ??