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I think it's hard to disagree with the parent on the frontend side. New frameworks every few months (and it has been like this for years) and even stablished on

I think it's hard to disagree with the parent on the frontend side. New frameworks every few months (and it has been like this for years) and even stablished ones keep changing in incompatible ways (Angular, React, Vue). Backend is much more stable, with the exception of Node, which seems to be suffering a disenchantment, a bit of reality check after the early euphoric years. I am yet to be convinced that any of the 3 top frontend solutions (Angular, React, Vue) are worth the trouble.

rglover 5y ago
What about Node has changed? It's been the same for several years save for the introduction of some new (optional) APIs and support for language features in JavaScript.
- mejutoco 5y ago
  I would say, using it with Typescript became much more common. There is also deno (https://deno.land/ https://deno.land/), from the same creator.
  - marcosdumay 5y ago
    Well, it's not a web thing. All of software development is migrating into strict/expressive/implicit type systems. The web frontends just happened to move faster there because Typescript has a great type system and is backwards compatible. Embedded and system programming aren't much behind, because of Rust. Everything else isn't migrating to Haskelllike languages nearly as quickly, but most software will go eventually. The slowness is probably more due to bad market dynamics for the tools than to long term issues.
Scarbutt 5y ago
I just see node growing stronger adoption wise every day.
dntrkv 5y ago
> New frameworks every few months React is going on 9 years. > even stablished ones keep changing in incompatible ways (Angular, React, Vue) React's API has been incredibly stable. There has been one major breaking change in the API (deprecation of the lifecycle methods) and even those are still supported. These arguments are tiring. Think of something new.
- harimau777 5y ago
  What about hooks? That's a pretty significant change. Even if class based components are still supported, the community is moving to hooks be the standard so you don't have much choice but to learn them. Redux became popular and then has slowly been replaced by context and libraries like React Query.
  - vogre 5y ago
    You can learn hooks in a weekend and it's really the only major change in years.

rglover 5y ago

What about Node has changed? It's been the same for several years save for the introduction of some new (optional) APIs and support for language features in JavaScript.

mejutoco 5y ago
I would say, using it with Typescript became much more common. There is also deno (https://deno.land/ https://deno.land/), from the same creator.
- marcosdumay 5y ago
  Well, it's not a web thing. All of software development is migrating into strict/expressive/implicit type systems. The web frontends just happened to move faster there because Typescript has a great type system and is backwards compatible. Embedded and system programming aren't much behind, because of Rust. Everything else isn't migrating to Haskelllike languages nearly as quickly, but most software will go eventually. The slowness is probably more due to bad market dynamics for the tools than to long term issues.

Scarbutt 5y ago

I just see node growing stronger adoption wise every day.

dntrkv 5y ago

> New frameworks every few months React is going on 9 years. > even stablished ones keep changing in incompatible ways (Angular, React, Vue) React's API has been incredibly stable. There has been one major breaking change in the API (deprecation of the lifecycle methods) and even those are still supported. These arguments are tiring. Think of something new.

harimau777 5y ago
What about hooks? That's a pretty significant change. Even if class based components are still supported, the community is moving to hooks be the standard so you don't have much choice but to learn them. Redux became popular and then has slowly been replaced by context and libraries like React Query.
- vogre 5y ago
  You can learn hooks in a weekend and it's really the only major change in years.