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Hetzner Apple Mac Mini Offering
- jordemort 5y agoThis could be an interesting way to run mautrix-imesssage. I wonder if they've got it hooked up to some sort of remote console solution; I've never been able to figure out how to get less-than-wretched performance out of the VNC server baked into the OS.
- gizdan 5y ago> This could be an interesting way to run mautrix-imesssage Wouldn't you be able to have only a single identity? Because unless you can have multiple identities with a single instance, it would be a very expensive way of having iMessage capabilities.
- gruez 5y agoApparently mautrix-imessage supports jailbroken iphones. Isn't that much more cost effective (eg. $50 for a used iphone 4s) than paying $50/month?
- yodon 5y agoHave you run mautrix-imessage? I'm trying to work through the docs to understand if I could use it as a way to proxy my received imessages (and iOS text messages?) onto my windows device as they arrive.
- jordemort 5y agoYes, right now I run it on an old MacBook Pro, that is otherwise sitting idle. It is very reliable. The only issue I have is HEIC attachments not being displayed on the Element desktop client (due to a lack of support in either Electron or Chromium, I forget what piece was ultimately to blame there.)
- programmer_dude 5y agoIs 58.31 = 5831 here? It's doubly confusing: dot instead of comma and separator at the hundredths position.
- 0x008 5y agoin German comma = dot, so it is 58.31
- gizdan 5y agoIn much of Europe commas are thousand separators, dots are decimal point separators. So what you're seeing is fifty eight euros and thirty one euro-cents.
- moreira 5y agoYou might be surprised to find that that is not the case in Europe. In fact, apart from China and English-influenced countries, very few countries around the world use dots for decimal points: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Countries_using_decimal_comma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Countries_us...
- CameronNemo 5y agoBut English and Chinese influenced countries comprise a significant portion of the world. The top 3 most populous countries use dots for decimals (China, India, United States) according to your link.
- moreira 5y agoYou are right, and that is still not "in much of Europe".
- ginko 5y agoYour nick is programmer_dude and a dot for a decimal point confuses you?
- anelson 5y agoWe've been using Hetzner boxes to run our self-hosted GitHub Actions runners for a couple years now, except for Mac which we have run in MacStadium. This offering is much cheaper than MacStadium though; EUR 49 compare to USD 129. I ordered one of these M1 Minis from Hetzner last night as soon as I saw the announcement. It was provisioned and ready this afternoon. Initial impression is good, it's a Big Sur M1 Mini. I paid extra (EUR 69/mo) to get two 1TB SSDs as well, since we often run up against the 256GB storage limitation. Hetzner provide a dedicated IPv4 address and IPv6 /64, SSH access is via a password. Unlike MacStadium, VNC access didn't seem to be enabled initially, but some Googling around yielded the ASD command to turn that on. Our Hetzner firewall config blocks everything but port 22 anyway, so I tunneled VNC port 5900 through SSH and it worked fine. The open question, which only time will answer, is network connectivity. MacStadium (or at least the Atlanta data center we use) seems to have pretty reliable connectivity, but our Hetzner runners sometimes fail with some transient network glitch while trying to download a random dependency now and then. Fortunately most of the tools we use will auto-retry, so even if we do have sporadic network connectivity glitches for the price it's well worth it.
- durnygbur 5y agoIs Hetzner still sending paper contract over snail mail to use their services? Then requiring the signed paper contract be sent back by post? I haven't cared enough about their offer to check by myself again.
- input_sh 5y agoNever experienced anything like that, been a happy user for about half a decade.
- maltalex 5y agoNever ran into that requirement. I have a bare metal + several cloud instances on Hetzner.
- Eldt 5y agoJust a photo of ID sent digitally for me (I'm in the EU, might make a difference)
- kleiba 5y agoCan you opt out of that and ask for a paper contract via snail mail then?
- dhess 5y agoAnyone know if they install ARD for remote desktop access? It's pretty difficult to administer a Mac remotely without MDM and/or ARD.
- moepstar 5y agoAccording to a thread on their forum, you get SSH access and can install/activate VNC afterwards (or whatever else you may prefer).
- sgt 5y agoThat 19% you can get back if you are outside of Yurop.
- Svip 5y agoOr if you are a business within the EU.
- kleiba 5y agoI have seen mixed reviews about Hetzner online. Does anyone have any enlightening anecdotal evidence in favor or against the company?
- iyn 5y agoI've been their customer for over 2 years, no problems at all and I'm very happy with their prices and offering. Started with dedicated server and now I'm also using their cloud services for some of my EU-based clients. Can definitely recommend, I much prefer Hetzner vs no-name VPS providers when I need cheap VMs.
- heipei 5y agoThey are truly great for thrifty do-it-yourself hosting. Don't expect customer support or discounts or anything, but their prices are impossible to beat, and everything works as advertised. The big gotcha is that their only points of presence are in Germany and Finland. My only gripe would be that running your business on Hetzner can be a little bit scary at times since they have so much unattended automation in place to block abuse. For example, if your server is erroneously sending traffic with private IP addresses out of its public interface, they will block the server without warning. I don't have any other providers to compare this against, so that might just be how it is.
- moepstar 5y ago>>>Don't expect customer support To be fair, you can also book a managed server with them. For their hosted hardware offering, HDD/SSD swaps (or even "we replace everything about your server because it produces random faults except your HDDS") are within reasonable timeframes (i.e. usually within an hour). They, however, will not diagnose this for you - that part is on you.
- jventura 5y ago> For example, if your server is erroneously sending traffic with private IP addresses out of its public interface, they will block the server without warning. I had a CS class last semester where the students used some Hetzner cloud servers. I always got an email or two before having the servers IPs blocked. And it were mostly students' faults by choosing easy passwords.. I recommend Hetzner! No affiliation, just a happy user..
- sillycube 5y agoIsn't it expensive? But for quick testing (like safari), it may be good
- Lorin 5y agoI just want a cheap way to live debug sites in Safari / Safari Mobile without being forced to purchase Apple hardware. Only reasonable option I've come across so far is buying used hardware. VM under Win10/AMD seems like a PITA.
- packetslave 5y agoRemember that running OS X (including in a VM) on anything other than Apple hardware is technically a violation of Apple's terms of service. If you're just doing it for personal use, this probably isn't a big deal. If you're doing it for your business, make sure you consider the risks.
- intrasight 5y agoUsed totally makes sense. I picked up a Mac Mini with a 27" monitor for $500.
- barney54 5y agoThe M1 Mac Mini recently was only $600 on sale.
- treesknees 5y agoYou can also find a refurbished M1 Mac Mini for under $600 on Apple's refurbished store.
- smoldesu 5y agoIt's a shame that web developers have to spend $500 to buy a bespoke web-browsing machine just to make their sites work better with Apple hardware. If Apple wanted people to treat their browser seriously, they should have simulators and developer tooling to spare.
- asddubs 5y agoor just release safari cross-platform.
- julienfr112 5y agoscaleway has also an M1 offer
- anelson 5y agoFWIW, I've tried the Scaleway (Paris), MacStadium (Atlanta), and as of today also the Hetzner (Falkenstein, Germany) M1 offerings. The Scaleway service had such awful latency on the VNC connection that I found it almost completely unusable. MacStadium and Hetzner are both better. That's particularly odd because I'm based in Kyiv, Ukraine, so I would have expected better latency to Paris than to Atlanta. It might have been a problem on my ISP's end, I didn't spend any time looking into it. Besides that, the Hetzner offer is by far the cheapest, as is usually the case with Hetzner. If you don't mind having to do all configuration yourself, and you don't require a flashy whiz-bang UI for managing your provisioned resources, Hetzner is a great value.
- pachico 5y agoThe rest of us not using Apple product watch with perplexity all things related to Apple hardware/licences, etc.
- Spivak 5y agoI mean if you're developing/testing for AIX you're gonna have to buy/find a vendor that licenses POWER8. I feel like we've forgotten that running software on commodity hardware is the exception rather than the rule for the bulk of CS history.
- e12e 5y agoCurious about how they are "delivered" - ssh login with root access? Anyone know?
- TimWolla 5y agoSSH by default according to Hetzner's customer forum [1]. [1] https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/28493/&postID=280104#post280104 https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/28493/&postID=280...
- anelson 5y agoThe customer forum requires a login to access, and unfortunately is often in German. The linked post says this: "Danke für das Interesse an dem neuen Produkt! Die Fragen zum Betriebssystem sollten sich durch die Veröffentlichung der Produktmatrix beantwortet haben. Es wird das aktuelle macOS Big Sur installiert. Bei der Einrichtung und Zugangsmöglichkeiten haben wir uns nur für SSH entschieden. Nicht jeder Kunde möchte mit einem aktiven VNC-Zugang starten. Wie auch der eine oder andere beschrieben hat, ist die Einrichtung/Aktivierung nicht schwer. Gerne könnt ihr dazu auch einen Community-Artikel schreiben und weiteren Kunden helfen. Welche Alternativen zu VNC würdet ihr Vorschlagen oder hättet ihr gerne, die wir uns mal anschauen sollten?" I don't understand German, but I ordered one and received SSH login instructions, and was able to get VNC enabled and connected by tunneling port 5900 through the SSH connection.
- TimWolla 5y ago> The customer forum requires a login to access It's not just a login. You need to actually be a customer. I consider that a good thing, because it allows me (and Hetzner) to speak more freely compared to a fully public forum. That's also why I just linked to the forum instead of quoting. > and unfortunately is often in German. That's true. The majority of the active user|customer base is German (I am myself) and thus communicating in German is the obvious choice. I've seen a few English-speaking folks participating by using a translator of choice to read the threads and then simply responding in English. I think it works well enough, as virtually every German understands English. Especially a German running servers.
- jermaustin1 5y agoI had actually bought a bunch of M1 Minis that I set up as a video encoding farm. The organization I set it up for moved on, so now I'm sitting with 8 M1 minis. 1 of them is my daily driver, but the other 7 are just sitting there. I contemplated setting up a rental service for them (something like $40-50/mo?) since I have symmetric 2 gbps fiber to my office, but I just haven't prioritized. Are people actually interested enough for this to really be worth it?
- freediver 5y agoOne can get a Mac Mini directly from Apple at $58.25/mo for 12 months. Granted, that does not include power and bandwidth but it is also yours after just 12 months. I think a more reasonable price point for lease would be around $25/month. Or $50/mo but user owns it after two years, continuing to pay for power/bandwidth. Having said that, how would the user access this? Would you have some kind of VMs or how did you imagine it?
- jermaustin1 5y agoI think the benefit of paying $50/mo is that you only need it for a month or 2, or only sporadically, you can just buy in occasionally. If re-imaging them wasn't such a pain in the ass, I'd offer daily at something silly like $3/day. That way they only need to rent it when they need it, and the 8 minis would stretch farther, but I'd have to automate the re-image somehow, so more work. User would access it via VNC to a subdomain that is pointed to a VLAN inside my office. They would be full metal to the M1, not VMs.
- Aulig 5y agoI rent mac minis because I need them to compile iOS apps. By renting them from a datacenter I get better uptime & internet speed & reliability than if I just set it up at home. That's why I pay a premium for it.
- 404mm 5y agoWhat kind of access do you get? Is it more about utilizing GUI (with some KVM), ssh or some sort of agent process (eg Jenkins or similar)
- freemint 5y agoNote that this is part of Hetzners dedicated offers, meaning the first bill is 2 times the monthly rate because setup fees.
- tiffanyh 5y agoA Linux based M1 Max with ECC memory (and no GPU) would be a phenomenal server that could run the vast majority of hosting workloads. Hosting providers would also love it because it's super small form factor and extremely low on power usage.
- CharlesW 5y agoI imagine cooling and ventilation costs (apparently ~40% of data center energy costs) would plummet as well.
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- harshitaneja 5y agoMy experience is only with AWS, GCP, Azure and Red Hat. This pricing for m1 mini seems quite great to me at ~80$ compared to an aws t3a.xlarge Can this kind of instance be used as a server for deploying web apps? I have never tried hetzner. I couldn't find any information about data transfer costs. As someone with predictable traffic and no need for infinite scalability would you recommend such a setup?
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