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Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.

troupe 5y ago
This was my biggest concern. Having the option to use MagSafe is much better than always being required to carry around yet another charger.
- buu700 5y ago
  Same here. I want to use MagSafe at home and the office, not carry around a bulky bespoke charger just for one device while traveling.
  - james33 5y ago
    From what I can tell, the charging brick is the same either way. The new MagSafe is just a different USB-C cable that has the MagSafe connector on the end.
    - buu700 5y ago
      Ah, awesome, that was actually something I was hoping they would do (and probably suggested once or twice in some HN threads). If I can just plug the MagSafe cable into any old USB brick, that's way more convenient.
_the_inflator 5y ago
Finally this dongle hell is over. It was so cringe worthy to see all Apple users carrying around a bag of dongles. Reminded me of the old LAN party cable fun…
- wl 5y ago
  USB A. Ethernet. Dongles are here to stay.
  - jackson1442 5y ago
    I can't remember the last time I've needed USB-A when not at my desk at home, except in the weird cases where I left my Yubikey 5C on my other laptop and needed to plug in my Yubikey A. Generally, when I actually need USB-A, I need a _lot_ of it, so hubs/dongles are a necessity regardless. And if I'm going to use a hub, I might as well get HDMI, Ethernet, charging, etc. out of it. The addition of HDMI has eliminated at least 90% of the cases where I've needed to take a dongle somewhere with me.
    - asdff 5y ago
      I need to use usb-a every day to charge my 2020 iphone with the cable that came with it
      - jackson1442 5y ago
        The iPhone 12? You must have gotten a bad shipment because they’re supposed to include a USB-C to lightning cable.
        asdff 5y ago
        Second gen iPhone SE.
      - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        I bought a USB-C lightning cable for my older iPhone X, but went magnetic wireless charging after so hardly ever use it.
        asdff 5y ago
        I have a wireless charger, but I will opt for the cable most of the time since its so much faster.
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
- foldr 5y ago
  If they were carrying around a bag full of dongles they'll still need most of them, as this just adds an HDMI port.
  - Tempest1981 5y ago
    And SD card, for photographers and 3D printers
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- dntrkv 5y ago
  Who was carrying around a bag of dongles? Any sane person would just get a tiny hub that fits in your pocket and has USB-A, HDMI, DP, SD, and whatever else you need. Which is honestly a much better solution than adding SD and HDMI back to the Macbook. I know it's a controversial opinion around these parts, but I never understood the dongle-gate fiasco. A $30 portable hub will add those parts back to anyone that needs them. I sure as hell don't.
  - asdff 5y ago
    It starts like that, then you have some ports fail on that $30 hub then you are buying more junk you wouldn't have needed in the first place if apple had more sense.
    - Yaina 5y ago
      I don't know. I have my MacBook Pro since 2016 along with it's HDMI/USB-A Dongle and while the macbook screen failed on me (twice!) I still have the same dongle. But to be honest I don't need it suuuper often. Just for my USB-A microphone and the occasional projector somewhere. I live in the USB-C future Apple is turning away from haha
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purple_ferret 5y ago
EDIT: Never mind
- terramex 5y ago
  It is shipped with USB-C -> Magsafe cable in every configuration I see.
- dkulchenko 5y ago
  MagSafe cable does indeed ship standard - see https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/.
- deergomoo 5y ago
  It’s listed as “in the box” on the product page.
- minimaxir 5y ago
  The MagSafe Cable + relevant USB-C Adapter is present in the box, per the site.
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dntrkv 5y ago
Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept the USB-C charging, but now non-2021+ Macbook users can't reuse the charging cables.
- adam_arthur 5y ago
  Agreed. I'm a fan of function over form, but Apple standardizing on a single port pushed a lot of accessories and other manufacturers towards USB-C. I use my (USB-C) mac charger for my phone all the time, simply because it's there and the cable is longer. I didn't really find Magsafe that useful anyway, as I'm pretty much always hooked up to a monitor via USB-C (which charges as well). I guess it's nice for those that miss it, but we were starting to finally get to a world with a one-size-fits-all cable. Remember back in the day when old-style cell phones/laptops all had proprietary chargers? But it seems the momentum for USB-C is there, so hopefully consolidation continues. Anyway, the EU and maybe others seem to be moving towards legislation to consolidate I/O types anyway. I'm guessing the HDMI is partially due to bandwidth limitations of USB-C, though I forget the specifics.
  - Yaina 5y ago
    I would need to look it up and and of course it depends on the version, but afaik HDMI usually lags behind DisplayPort in terms of bandwidth and features. The SD-Card slot I can understand; for Magsafe I feels the same as you that I didn't really care for it, but HDMI... they might as well could have put a VGA port on there haha
    - ansgri 5y ago
      I guess it’s for TVs and conference room projectors, these never support the DP, and thus it’s very much a real ‘pro’ feature for office work. So, SD for pro photo/video (and they are very right about full-size SDs here), HDMI for pro office, USB3 for everything else, seems legit.
fiznool 5y ago
This was my biggest concern too, that my £300 dock would be rendered instantly obsolete. It’s nice that I could still plug these new pros into a dock with a single usb-c cable and have charging, multiple displays and usb connectivity all with one cable.

This was my biggest concern. Having the option to use MagSafe is much better than always being required to carry around yet another charger.

buu700 5y ago
Same here. I want to use MagSafe at home and the office, not carry around a bulky bespoke charger just for one device while traveling.
- james33 5y ago
  From what I can tell, the charging brick is the same either way. The new MagSafe is just a different USB-C cable that has the MagSafe connector on the end.
  - buu700 5y ago
    Ah, awesome, that was actually something I was hoping they would do (and probably suggested once or twice in some HN threads). If I can just plug the MagSafe cable into any old USB brick, that's way more convenient.

_the_inflator 5y ago

Finally this dongle hell is over. It was so cringe worthy to see all Apple users carrying around a bag of dongles. Reminded me of the old LAN party cable fun…

wl 5y ago
USB A. Ethernet. Dongles are here to stay.
- jackson1442 5y ago
  I can't remember the last time I've needed USB-A when not at my desk at home, except in the weird cases where I left my Yubikey 5C on my other laptop and needed to plug in my Yubikey A. Generally, when I actually need USB-A, I need a _lot_ of it, so hubs/dongles are a necessity regardless. And if I'm going to use a hub, I might as well get HDMI, Ethernet, charging, etc. out of it. The addition of HDMI has eliminated at least 90% of the cases where I've needed to take a dongle somewhere with me.
  - asdff 5y ago
    I need to use usb-a every day to charge my 2020 iphone with the cable that came with it
    - jackson1442 5y ago
      The iPhone 12? You must have gotten a bad shipment because they’re supposed to include a USB-C to lightning cable.
      - asdff 5y ago
        Second gen iPhone SE.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      I bought a USB-C lightning cable for my older iPhone X, but went magnetic wireless charging after so hardly ever use it.
      - asdff 5y ago
        I have a wireless charger, but I will opt for the cable most of the time since its so much faster.
        seanmcdirmid 5y ago
foldr 5y ago
If they were carrying around a bag full of dongles they'll still need most of them, as this just adds an HDMI port.
- Tempest1981 5y ago
  And SD card, for photographers and 3D printers
- deleted 5y ago
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dntrkv 5y ago
Who was carrying around a bag of dongles? Any sane person would just get a tiny hub that fits in your pocket and has USB-A, HDMI, DP, SD, and whatever else you need. Which is honestly a much better solution than adding SD and HDMI back to the Macbook. I know it's a controversial opinion around these parts, but I never understood the dongle-gate fiasco. A $30 portable hub will add those parts back to anyone that needs them. I sure as hell don't.
- asdff 5y ago
  It starts like that, then you have some ports fail on that $30 hub then you are buying more junk you wouldn't have needed in the first place if apple had more sense.
  - Yaina 5y ago
    I don't know. I have my MacBook Pro since 2016 along with it's HDMI/USB-A Dongle and while the macbook screen failed on me (twice!) I still have the same dongle. But to be honest I don't need it suuuper often. Just for my USB-A microphone and the occasional projector somewhere. I live in the USB-C future Apple is turning away from haha

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purple_ferret 5y ago

EDIT: Never mind

terramex 5y ago
It is shipped with USB-C -> Magsafe cable in every configuration I see.
dkulchenko 5y ago
MagSafe cable does indeed ship standard - see https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/.
deergomoo 5y ago
It’s listed as “in the box” on the product page.
minimaxir 5y ago
The MagSafe Cable + relevant USB-C Adapter is present in the box, per the site.
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dntrkv 5y ago

Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept the USB-C charging, but now non-2021+ Macbook users can't reuse the charging cables.

adam_arthur 5y ago
Agreed. I'm a fan of function over form, but Apple standardizing on a single port pushed a lot of accessories and other manufacturers towards USB-C. I use my (USB-C) mac charger for my phone all the time, simply because it's there and the cable is longer. I didn't really find Magsafe that useful anyway, as I'm pretty much always hooked up to a monitor via USB-C (which charges as well). I guess it's nice for those that miss it, but we were starting to finally get to a world with a one-size-fits-all cable. Remember back in the day when old-style cell phones/laptops all had proprietary chargers? But it seems the momentum for USB-C is there, so hopefully consolidation continues. Anyway, the EU and maybe others seem to be moving towards legislation to consolidate I/O types anyway. I'm guessing the HDMI is partially due to bandwidth limitations of USB-C, though I forget the specifics.
- Yaina 5y ago
  I would need to look it up and and of course it depends on the version, but afaik HDMI usually lags behind DisplayPort in terms of bandwidth and features. The SD-Card slot I can understand; for Magsafe I feels the same as you that I didn't really care for it, but HDMI... they might as well could have put a VGA port on there haha
  - ansgri 5y ago
    I guess it’s for TVs and conference room projectors, these never support the DP, and thus it’s very much a real ‘pro’ feature for office work. So, SD for pro photo/video (and they are very right about full-size SDs here), HDMI for pro office, USB3 for everything else, seems legit.

fiznool 5y ago

This was my biggest concern too, that my £300 dock would be rendered instantly obsolete. It’s nice that I could still plug these new pros into a dock with a single usb-c cable and have charging, multiple displays and usb connectivity all with one cable.