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It's a shame UK left EU. All help would be welcome against Germany's lobby to continue burning fossil fuels and spewing the resulting GHGs into atmosphere. If t

by mdf 5y ago

It's a shame UK left EU. All help would be welcome against Germany's lobby to continue burning fossil fuels and spewing the resulting GHGs into atmosphere. If they had been still in, I'm sure UK would have stood with France, nine other EU countries, and the various expert groups' assessments for classifying nuclear power in the EU sustainable taxonomy.

Zenst 5y ago
For better or worse the EU gets down to working out something that all members can agree and why much change can be vetoes by a single member. That all said we are hosting COP26 climate summit - though like many - the Queen sums up what we all think: - https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-queen-irritated-by-leaders-who-are-just-talk-climate-change-2021-10-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-queen-irritated-by...
- wiz21c 5y ago
  From your Queen's article : On a trip to a school in Bristol, southwest England, Johnson told baffled schoolchildren: "I promise to get world leaders to cut greenhouse gases and save the planet." He later held up a signed, leaf-shaped piece of paper on which he had written his pledge. Whatever the outcome, I'll be very happy to hear about Johnson's pledge after the COP...
  - Zenst 5y ago
    Probably my age, but what a politician says and does, do differ. It's the actions I'll measure upon, not the promissory notes of intent.
    - pasabagi 5y ago
      I'm pretty sure parent is being sarcastic. Boris Johnson is the guy who literally goes 'uh, I think' when asked how many children he has[0]. He's not big on commitments of any kind. [0]: for the record, it's supposed to be six, but some people say seven.
      - kmlx 5y ago
        this is for me is a net plus. children of politicians (even how many) should not be a thing, and i’m actually very impressed that when faced with so many questions regarding his children, over so many years, this politician chose the high road. very few choose this route (see basically the whole US establishment).
        gm3dmo 5y ago
        Yet he is happy to spout lies about single mothers for his followers: https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/general-election-boris-johnson-challenged-over-disgraceful-single-mothers-remark-11873396 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/general-... He has never taken the high road in his life.
        kmlx 5y ago
        i think this is called clickbait journalism.
        pasabagi 5y ago
        I sympathise with your desire to separate the private and the public, but where somebody is a deadbeat dad to the point that they seem genuinely unsure how many kids they have, you would question whether they are responsible enough for the job, even if they weren't as feckless and flippant as Boris Johnson. As conservative prime ministers go, he'd be one of the better ones in recent memory if it wasn't for awful timing. The UK had about twice the death toll as france and germany in the last couple of years, and it's hard not to blame that on Boris, and those around Boris, essentially being the wrong guys for the job. When it's serious, you need serious people making the decisions, and I don't think anybody, Boris included, genuinely thinks he's a serious person.
        gm3dmo 5y ago
        Failing to turn up to 5 COBRA meetings on the bounce could account for Johnson's failure to grasp the seriousness of the situation he was dealing with. Preferring to be spoonfed reassuring pap armchair experts like like Cummings show a clear lack of judgement.
wolverine876 5y ago
> Germany's lobby to continue burning fossil fuels and spewing the resulting GHGs into atmosphere Isn't Germany a world leader in implementing renewable energy?
- king_phil 5y ago
  Was, the conservative party dismantled that pretty quickly.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    The same party has been in charge for (16?) years; the Greens are popular in Germany. Edit: Maybe I'm misunderstanding something?
    - michaelt 5y ago
      Germany had a bunch of nuclear plants, which have pretty low carbon emissions. Then they decided to shut them all down; and that they urgently need a new gas pipeline - Nord Stream 2 - to import natural gas from Russia. Doesn’t sound very carbon neutral to me.
      - wiz21c 5y ago
        And that'll make Europe dependent on Russia. Doesn't sound much of a problem to me but down here, Putin is seen as a somewhat bad person. So, Europe will have to bow to him to have not too expensive gas, I'll have a lot of fun hearing our politicians telling that, poor them, they have to negotiate with him :-)
        nextaccountic 5y ago
        On the other hand, making Europe economically dependent on Russia lowers the likelihood of war between them and fosters cooperation in other areas. Germany doesn't buy the US narrative that Russia should be treated with hostility at all costs.
irae 5y ago
This development is probably only feasible because UK left EU. EU has too much debate going on to be pragmatic about solving the climate challenge. They are blind with renewables (which are all good, but will take 3x or 4x more decades to develop) to actually fix the climate.
- gm3dmo 5y ago
  The EU helps to fund the sarcophagus built around Chernobyl: https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-co-finances-new-arch-for-chernobyl/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-co-finances-... Which might account for why they are reticent about nuclear.
  - irae 5y ago
    Oh yeah, blame "nuclear", the science, for a mistake of a socialist regime. * One one side no regulation, people living in fear of their superiors, money being drawn and sent to compete on the race to the moon and other reasons. * On the other side "nuclear", which is based on science, and had about 6 decades of evolution in safety, regulations, etc. since Chernobyl was first built. That was exactly what I was referring to when I said the EU is blind to science. And, yes, I read 2 papers and watched many videos, as well as follow the news for about the last 5 years of the safe confinement construction. I still hold the same opinion as my original comment.

by mdf 5y ago

Zenst 5y ago

For better or worse the EU gets down to working out something that all members can agree and why much change can be vetoes by a single member. That all said we are hosting COP26 climate summit - though like many - the Queen sums up what we all think: - https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-queen-irritated-by-leaders-who-are-just-talk-climate-change-2021-10-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britains-queen-irritated-by...

wiz21c 5y ago
From your Queen's article : On a trip to a school in Bristol, southwest England, Johnson told baffled schoolchildren: "I promise to get world leaders to cut greenhouse gases and save the planet." He later held up a signed, leaf-shaped piece of paper on which he had written his pledge. Whatever the outcome, I'll be very happy to hear about Johnson's pledge after the COP...
- Zenst 5y ago
  Probably my age, but what a politician says and does, do differ. It's the actions I'll measure upon, not the promissory notes of intent.
  - pasabagi 5y ago
    I'm pretty sure parent is being sarcastic. Boris Johnson is the guy who literally goes 'uh, I think' when asked how many children he has[0]. He's not big on commitments of any kind. [0]: for the record, it's supposed to be six, but some people say seven.
    - kmlx 5y ago
      this is for me is a net plus. children of politicians (even how many) should not be a thing, and i’m actually very impressed that when faced with so many questions regarding his children, over so many years, this politician chose the high road. very few choose this route (see basically the whole US establishment).
      - gm3dmo 5y ago
        Yet he is happy to spout lies about single mothers for his followers: https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/general-election-boris-johnson-challenged-over-disgraceful-single-mothers-remark-11873396 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/general-... He has never taken the high road in his life.
        kmlx 5y ago
        i think this is called clickbait journalism.
        pasabagi 5y ago
        I sympathise with your desire to separate the private and the public, but where somebody is a deadbeat dad to the point that they seem genuinely unsure how many kids they have, you would question whether they are responsible enough for the job, even if they weren't as feckless and flippant as Boris Johnson. As conservative prime ministers go, he'd be one of the better ones in recent memory if it wasn't for awful timing. The UK had about twice the death toll as france and germany in the last couple of years, and it's hard not to blame that on Boris, and those around Boris, essentially being the wrong guys for the job. When it's serious, you need serious people making the decisions, and I don't think anybody, Boris included, genuinely thinks he's a serious person.
        gm3dmo 5y ago
        Failing to turn up to 5 COBRA meetings on the bounce could account for Johnson's failure to grasp the seriousness of the situation he was dealing with. Preferring to be spoonfed reassuring pap armchair experts like like Cummings show a clear lack of judgement.

wolverine876 5y ago

> Germany's lobby to continue burning fossil fuels and spewing the resulting GHGs into atmosphere Isn't Germany a world leader in implementing renewable energy?

king_phil 5y ago
Was, the conservative party dismantled that pretty quickly.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  The same party has been in charge for (16?) years; the Greens are popular in Germany. Edit: Maybe I'm misunderstanding something?
  - michaelt 5y ago
    Germany had a bunch of nuclear plants, which have pretty low carbon emissions. Then they decided to shut them all down; and that they urgently need a new gas pipeline - Nord Stream 2 - to import natural gas from Russia. Doesn’t sound very carbon neutral to me.
    - wiz21c 5y ago
      And that'll make Europe dependent on Russia. Doesn't sound much of a problem to me but down here, Putin is seen as a somewhat bad person. So, Europe will have to bow to him to have not too expensive gas, I'll have a lot of fun hearing our politicians telling that, poor them, they have to negotiate with him :-)
      - nextaccountic 5y ago
        On the other hand, making Europe economically dependent on Russia lowers the likelihood of war between them and fosters cooperation in other areas. Germany doesn't buy the US narrative that Russia should be treated with hostility at all costs.

irae 5y ago

This development is probably only feasible because UK left EU. EU has too much debate going on to be pragmatic about solving the climate challenge. They are blind with renewables (which are all good, but will take 3x or 4x more decades to develop) to actually fix the climate.

gm3dmo 5y ago
The EU helps to fund the sarcophagus built around Chernobyl: https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-co-finances-new-arch-for-chernobyl/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-co-finances-... Which might account for why they are reticent about nuclear.
- irae 5y ago
  Oh yeah, blame "nuclear", the science, for a mistake of a socialist regime. * One one side no regulation, people living in fear of their superiors, money being drawn and sent to compete on the race to the moon and other reasons. * On the other side "nuclear", which is based on science, and had about 6 decades of evolution in safety, regulations, etc. since Chernobyl was first built. That was exactly what I was referring to when I said the EU is blind to science. And, yes, I read 2 papers and watched many videos, as well as follow the news for about the last 5 years of the safe confinement construction. I still hold the same opinion as my original comment.