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I heard this a lot. The "whistle blower" did a great job convincing the public it seems. Interestingly enough, though, in 19 flights that space dildo didn't ki

by qayxc 5y ago

I heard this a lot. The "whistle blower" did a great job convincing the public it seems. Interestingly enough, though, in 19 flights that space dildo didn't kill anyone unlike Branson's death bird that was grounded by the FAA due to numerous security issues. Yes it was a publicity stunt, yes Bezos is a horrible person, but still the track record of the rocket powered phallus symbol doesn't look too bad as of now and at least appears to be somewhat safe and reliable.

ricardobeat 5y ago
Test flights without a crew obviously can’t kill anyone. This is the second crewed flight.
- gorgoiler 5y ago
  Can’t kill anyone onboard.
WalterBright 5y ago
> yes Bezos is a horrible person For the crime of making tens of thousands of people millionaires, providing people with what they want the world over, living the American dream, and hurling Shatner's body into the void?
- bojo 5y ago
  For the crime of breaking numerous state and city laws to favor what he wants, moving money in such a way his company pays little to no federal taxes, creating horrible working conditions in warehouses, and the list goes on.
  - bananabreakfast 5y ago
    Except, none of those are crimes. Immoral maybe, but not doing these things means you will have your success taken away by someone who does.
    - eurasiantiger 5y ago
      By that logic, we need to start killing people immediately, because not doing that means we will have our success taken away by someone who does. Is that perhaps a non sequitur?
    - Tronno 5y ago
      The OP accuses Bezos of being a horrible person, not a criminal.
    - metagame 5y ago
      «For the crime of breaking numerous state and city laws» «Except, none of those are crimes.» Breaking the law is the textbook definition of a crime, isn't it?
      - copperx 5y ago
        I don't know. Is speeding a crime?
      - oarabbus_ 5y ago
        What state laws have they broken?
  - monkeycantype 5y ago
    No, just for shaking that champagne everywhere while Shatner was trying to have a conversation
  - oarabbus_ 5y ago
    If only the world was so black-and-white that you could look at all the negative impacts of an individual, consider none of the positive impacts, and conclude they are a bad person.
  - cogman10 5y ago
    Frankly, this isn't a Bezos failing but a government failing. We shouldn't be beholden to our employers to have good working conditions and we shouldn't be mad at uber wealthy companies for using the taxcode to avoid paying taxes. There are 100s of individuals and companies doing exactly what Bezos has done. We solve nothing by blaming companies for working withing the confines of law and being shitty. Blame legislators that have allowed for such a system to exist. Vote in primaries and public for politicians that are looking at making things better for the individual.
    - oneplane 5y ago
      I think it's pretty safe so say it's a double failure. A human abusing other humans is a failure of that first human. If there were other humans, a third party, that were supposed to protect the now-abused humans, then that is also a failure. Just because there was no law that said "do not be an asshole" doesn't mean that an asshole is any less of an asshole. Doing it at Bezos-scale makes it a Bezos-scale asshole problem.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      This is 100% his choice and we should be allowed to get mad if we choose to at his actions and for selfishly stealing from society for personal gain. I would only blame the government if they forced him to do this. He had free choice.
      - cogman10 5y ago
        I do understand why people are mad at bezos. However, the way I see it is that the government gave bezos and others the ability to act like this. When slavery was legal, were the individual plantation owners terrible? Yes. However, it was the lack of government protections that allowed them to continue operating. Trying to draw the distinction between bezos and other billionaires feels like trying to compare one slave owner to the next and hoping that somehow that condemnation would make them grow a conscience. Slavery didn't end in the US because abolitionists condemned slave owners. It ended because it was made illegal through the force of law (and in the end, a civil war). Companies abusing their employees and the tax code won't go away because you dislike them. Those practices will only stop if the law changes.
- kragen 5y ago
  He filed software patents and enforced them.
- GauntletWizard 5y ago
  For the crime of the multitude of anticompetitive and shady behaviors that Amazon has engaged in, including using their position as a marketplace to leverage their suppliers out of business[1], supply chain fraud by commingling[2], workers rights abuses[3]. But quite frankly, even though several of those are actual crimes, I don't think you need to have committed a crime to be an awful person. Jeff Bezos qualifies for his smug demeanor while being an asshole, regardless of what crimes his company has committed. [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/amazon-india-rigging/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/amazon-i... - Literally on the front page today [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27177539 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27177539 [3]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/05/amazon-workers-protest-unsafe-grueling-conditions-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/05/amazon-wo...
  - snvzz 5y ago
    Amazon != Bezos, and Amazon's got obligations to its shareholders. Bezos did put in the hard work and got results, so he can be smug. People who will never amount to anything will of course claim it was just luck.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      >> For the crime of the multitude of anticompetitive and shady behaviors that Amazon has engaged in, including using their position as a marketplace to leverage their suppliers out of business[1], supply chain fraud by commingling[2], workers rights abuses[3]. > Amazon != Bezos, and Amazon's got obligations to its shareholders. That's a distinction without a difference. Bezos was the CEO and largest shareholder. The shareholders weren't going to fire him if he'd chosen not to have Amazon pursue "anticompetitive and shady behaviors."
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      By pushing down the people who will never amount to anything Jeff Bezos is not using luck to get ahead he is using power he obtained through prior luck. Amazon is still Bezos. Ownership and leadership wise just not day to day.
- snvzz 5y ago
  For the crime of success and money. Envy is a bitch.
  - qayxc 5y ago
    Projection much? I don't envy his success or wealth, I don't care about that part.
- adventured 5y ago
  He's a horrible person for finally accomplishing something that nobody else has been able to: sparking a surge in compensation among unskilled labor in the US. /s Amazon instigated the surge in all the major retailers moving toward $15 / hr as the new minimum wage for unskilled, entry labor. Amazon is setting the bar and forcing everyone else to keep up. They're likely to keep moving it higher faster than everyone else as well. It also (very obviously) doesn't excuse all the mistakes that Amazon has made that everyone here is well acquainted with. I don't think anybody would pretend otherwise. The good goes with the bad. Amazon deserves credit for the things they get right as well as what they get wrong.
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    I was talking about this with my wife just today. The minimum wage is ticking up, not as a result of legislation, but because there's real competition for workers now. Very positive thing.
  - uoaei 5y ago
    Accelerationism to justify fucking poor people over because "now they're paid slightly more though definitely not a living wage" is peak HN culture war. Amazon didn't set that bar, everyone everywhere else did. Amazon finally caught up after years and years of messing around with monopolistic tactics and is only just now doing PR damage control.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > For the crime of making tens of thousands of people millionaires, providing people with what they want the world over, living the American dream, and hurling Shatner's body into the void? Among other things, you forgot the part about scheduling people like machines to the point where they feel like their only option is to pee in bottles. It's pretty easy to make any powerful person look good if you're willing to be shamelessly selective.
  - nickpp 5y ago
    Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and can freely leave at any time?!
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      The only job left after Amazon put the other local stores out of business makes it an involuntarily choice unless you consider that crime is an acceptable career choice.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - nickpp 5y ago
        Amazon did not put local stores out of business, customers choosing the advantages of shopping on Amazon did. Are you saying customers should've been denied this choice in order to subsidize those local store jobs?
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and they can freely leave at any time?! Do you realize that doesn't excuse anything? A rather extreme example to make the point: slave-holding is still wrong even if you can find someone desperate enough to voluntarily sell themselves into it to you.
      - 5y ago
- FredPret 5y ago
  Yeah but he was like mean and stuff so off with his head

by qayxc 5y ago

ricardobeat 5y ago

Test flights without a crew obviously can’t kill anyone. This is the second crewed flight.

gorgoiler 5y ago
Can’t kill anyone onboard.

WalterBright 5y ago

> yes Bezos is a horrible person For the crime of making tens of thousands of people millionaires, providing people with what they want the world over, living the American dream, and hurling Shatner's body into the void?

bojo 5y ago
For the crime of breaking numerous state and city laws to favor what he wants, moving money in such a way his company pays little to no federal taxes, creating horrible working conditions in warehouses, and the list goes on.
- bananabreakfast 5y ago
  Except, none of those are crimes. Immoral maybe, but not doing these things means you will have your success taken away by someone who does.
  - eurasiantiger 5y ago
    By that logic, we need to start killing people immediately, because not doing that means we will have our success taken away by someone who does. Is that perhaps a non sequitur?
  - Tronno 5y ago
    The OP accuses Bezos of being a horrible person, not a criminal.
  - metagame 5y ago
    «For the crime of breaking numerous state and city laws» «Except, none of those are crimes.» Breaking the law is the textbook definition of a crime, isn't it?
    - copperx 5y ago
      I don't know. Is speeding a crime?
    - oarabbus_ 5y ago
      What state laws have they broken?
- monkeycantype 5y ago
  No, just for shaking that champagne everywhere while Shatner was trying to have a conversation
- oarabbus_ 5y ago
  If only the world was so black-and-white that you could look at all the negative impacts of an individual, consider none of the positive impacts, and conclude they are a bad person.
- cogman10 5y ago
  Frankly, this isn't a Bezos failing but a government failing. We shouldn't be beholden to our employers to have good working conditions and we shouldn't be mad at uber wealthy companies for using the taxcode to avoid paying taxes. There are 100s of individuals and companies doing exactly what Bezos has done. We solve nothing by blaming companies for working withing the confines of law and being shitty. Blame legislators that have allowed for such a system to exist. Vote in primaries and public for politicians that are looking at making things better for the individual.
  - oneplane 5y ago
    I think it's pretty safe so say it's a double failure. A human abusing other humans is a failure of that first human. If there were other humans, a third party, that were supposed to protect the now-abused humans, then that is also a failure. Just because there was no law that said "do not be an asshole" doesn't mean that an asshole is any less of an asshole. Doing it at Bezos-scale makes it a Bezos-scale asshole problem.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    This is 100% his choice and we should be allowed to get mad if we choose to at his actions and for selfishly stealing from society for personal gain. I would only blame the government if they forced him to do this. He had free choice.
    - cogman10 5y ago
      I do understand why people are mad at bezos. However, the way I see it is that the government gave bezos and others the ability to act like this. When slavery was legal, were the individual plantation owners terrible? Yes. However, it was the lack of government protections that allowed them to continue operating. Trying to draw the distinction between bezos and other billionaires feels like trying to compare one slave owner to the next and hoping that somehow that condemnation would make them grow a conscience. Slavery didn't end in the US because abolitionists condemned slave owners. It ended because it was made illegal through the force of law (and in the end, a civil war). Companies abusing their employees and the tax code won't go away because you dislike them. Those practices will only stop if the law changes.
kragen 5y ago
He filed software patents and enforced them.
GauntletWizard 5y ago
For the crime of the multitude of anticompetitive and shady behaviors that Amazon has engaged in, including using their position as a marketplace to leverage their suppliers out of business[1], supply chain fraud by commingling[2], workers rights abuses[3]. But quite frankly, even though several of those are actual crimes, I don't think you need to have committed a crime to be an awful person. Jeff Bezos qualifies for his smug demeanor while being an asshole, regardless of what crimes his company has committed. [1] https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/amazon-india-rigging/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/amazon-i... - Literally on the front page today [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27177539 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27177539 [3]https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/05/amazon-workers-protest-unsafe-grueling-conditions-warehouse https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/05/amazon-wo...
- snvzz 5y ago
  Amazon != Bezos, and Amazon's got obligations to its shareholders. Bezos did put in the hard work and got results, so he can be smug. People who will never amount to anything will of course claim it was just luck.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    >> For the crime of the multitude of anticompetitive and shady behaviors that Amazon has engaged in, including using their position as a marketplace to leverage their suppliers out of business[1], supply chain fraud by commingling[2], workers rights abuses[3]. > Amazon != Bezos, and Amazon's got obligations to its shareholders. That's a distinction without a difference. Bezos was the CEO and largest shareholder. The shareholders weren't going to fire him if he'd chosen not to have Amazon pursue "anticompetitive and shady behaviors."
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    By pushing down the people who will never amount to anything Jeff Bezos is not using luck to get ahead he is using power he obtained through prior luck. Amazon is still Bezos. Ownership and leadership wise just not day to day.
snvzz 5y ago
For the crime of success and money. Envy is a bitch.
- qayxc 5y ago
  Projection much? I don't envy his success or wealth, I don't care about that part.
adventured 5y ago
He's a horrible person for finally accomplishing something that nobody else has been able to: sparking a surge in compensation among unskilled labor in the US. /s Amazon instigated the surge in all the major retailers moving toward $15 / hr as the new minimum wage for unskilled, entry labor. Amazon is setting the bar and forcing everyone else to keep up. They're likely to keep moving it higher faster than everyone else as well. It also (very obviously) doesn't excuse all the mistakes that Amazon has made that everyone here is well acquainted with. I don't think anybody would pretend otherwise. The good goes with the bad. Amazon deserves credit for the things they get right as well as what they get wrong.
- rpmisms 5y ago
  I was talking about this with my wife just today. The minimum wage is ticking up, not as a result of legislation, but because there's real competition for workers now. Very positive thing.
- uoaei 5y ago
  Accelerationism to justify fucking poor people over because "now they're paid slightly more though definitely not a living wage" is peak HN culture war. Amazon didn't set that bar, everyone everywhere else did. Amazon finally caught up after years and years of messing around with monopolistic tactics and is only just now doing PR damage control.
tablespoon 5y ago
> For the crime of making tens of thousands of people millionaires, providing people with what they want the world over, living the American dream, and hurling Shatner's body into the void? Among other things, you forgot the part about scheduling people like machines to the point where they feel like their only option is to pee in bottles. It's pretty easy to make any powerful person look good if you're willing to be shamelessly selective.
- nickpp 5y ago
  Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and can freely leave at any time?!
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    The only job left after Amazon put the other local stores out of business makes it an involuntarily choice unless you consider that crime is an acceptable career choice.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - nickpp 5y ago
      Amazon did not put local stores out of business, customers choosing the advantages of shopping on Amazon did. Are you saying customers should've been denied this choice in order to subsidize those local store jobs?
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Are you by any chance talking about the job they voluntarily applied to and they can freely leave at any time?! Do you realize that doesn't excuse anything? A rather extreme example to make the point: slave-holding is still wrong even if you can find someone desperate enough to voluntarily sell themselves into it to you.
    - 5y ago
FredPret 5y ago
Yeah but he was like mean and stuff so off with his head