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I came here to say the same thing. In rural Tennessee literally zero people discuss regulations or care. I asked and I was laughed out of the room lol there’s

I came here to say the same thing. In rural Tennessee literally zero people discuss regulations or care. I asked and I was laughed out of the room lol there’s a 180 year old cabin on the property and in the 90s someone put in some red neck engineering — using just a random set of barrels for a septic system. So somewhere near there is a barrel that’ll collapse one day. No idea where lol. The point of that story is, regulations aren’t reality in many of these places. They may be there but in reality... Finally, rules regarding collecting of rain water or lack of green energy incentives should decrease the off-grid ability lol. First, no one can regulate your collection of rain water. Second, lack of initiatives isn’t a law or regulation.

riversflow 5y ago
In rural California you'll get a notice that you can't live on your own property if you don't have an approved septic system registered with the county. I know multiple people who have had this happen to them in a couple of counties, and have heard about it in several others. I personally find it kinda lame you can't live in an RV on property you own. The septic system approval process involves soil sampling and engineering based on dwelling size (I can't remember if its area or number of bedrooms) in the counties I'm familiar with.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  California needs to lighten up on regulations. I like California. I have lived here my entire life, but the regulations/fees/fines are outrageous. I looked into buying some property years ago near Bolinas. I asked the Realator why it was so cheap. She said you can't build-- can't even set up a tent. You can't even take a nap on the land. He, "So what's it good for?". Her, "Maybe leech lines?". Want to build your cabin, or home. In my town, of San anselmo, the town council decides pretty much every aspect of your build down to window placement (Homeowner might see Karen naked if that window isn't higher. They even ok your roof type, wether you use stucco, or shiplap, and even the Petunias in your front yard. Neusom is trying, but ADU's are being used by rich people to gain more house footage. And there's a part of me that wants all building stopped until we figure out this water problem.
  - zbrozek 5y ago
    If there's another major earthquake it'll take the Bay Area seventy years to get the permits to rebuild half of what was already standing.
    - phone8675309 5y ago
      If another major earthquake hits the Bay Area in the next twenty years then it's a sign from god that the Bay Area was a mistake.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
    - DoreenMichele 5y ago
      Don't be silly. A lot of it is no longer legal to build and will never be rebuilt.
      - zbrozek 5y ago
        That's the other half.
    - adrianN 5y ago
      Maybe they don't rebuild the sprawling car-centric infrastructure they currently have.
      - kybernetyk 5y ago
        But without highway overpasses where will all the homeless and drug addicts go?
        syshum 5y ago
        Don't be silly. In California the homeless do not live under highways. They live anywhere they damn feel including your front yard Don't you dare complain about it and when they shit on your path just call up the local poop patrol who will come out in 2-4 weeks to clean that up
- HarryHirsch 5y ago
  I personally find it kinda lame you can't live in an RV on property you own. You do ask how long it would take for someone to open a trailer park on their property if the sewage regulation didn't exist. Texas has an issue with colonias, it's easy to see why California wouldn't like to see rural shantytowns developed.
gorgoiler 5y ago
I believe the final form of any septic tank is collapse. You just say its the soakaway and brush it off as a feature not a bug!
dtgriscom 5y ago
You aren't saying the same thing. sandworm101 was saying "off-grid living can be luxurious"; you're saying "people ignore regulations."
coldtea 5y ago
>The point of that story is, regulations aren’t reality in many of these places. They may be there but in reality... All it takes is a nosy neighbor to report you (which might even be newcomers to the community), and you'll be surprised how soon they can be a reality. >First, no one can regulate your collection of rain water. Again, you'd be surprised.
- nmcfarl 5y ago
  > All it takes is a nosy neighbor to report you (which might even be newcomers to the community), and you'll be surprised how soon they can be a reality. Or perhaps not, depending on the politics of your Sheriff. In many rural counties where these laws aren't reality it's not because the government doesn't know, it's because it doesn't enforce. (Of course this same thing happens in cities - just with different laws.)
  - coldtea 5y ago
    >it's because it doesn't enforce. If there's a lawsuit or formal complaint, they're forced to enforce...
    - syvolt 5y ago
      No, that generally just means they're forced to take action (ie. investigate to confirm the suit or complaint). For the most part these are municipal laws handled by local law enforcement - the more rural you get the more likely it's just Dave that you've known your whole life that investigates and finds nothing problematic.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  >All it takes is a nosy neighbor to report you In most of these places you can't be that nosy neighbor too long before increasingly large dead animals show up on your doorstep. This isn't some nice suburb of SF DC or Boston. Most people frown upon inviting government to show up.
aww_dang 5y ago
>First, no one can regulate your collection of rain water. "Oregon Man Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail — for Collecting Rainwater on His Property" https://regproject.org/news/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jail-collecting-rainwater-property/ https://regproject.org/news/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jai... >...there were complaints about the three “reservoirs” – ponds – on his more than 170 acres of land. >According to Oregon water laws, all water is publicly owned. Therefore, anyone who wants to store any type of water on their property must first obtain a permit from state water managers.

riversflow 5y ago

In rural California you'll get a notice that you can't live on your own property if you don't have an approved septic system registered with the county. I know multiple people who have had this happen to them in a couple of counties, and have heard about it in several others. I personally find it kinda lame you can't live in an RV on property you own. The septic system approval process involves soil sampling and engineering based on dwelling size (I can't remember if its area or number of bedrooms) in the counties I'm familiar with.

hellbannedguy 5y ago
California needs to lighten up on regulations. I like California. I have lived here my entire life, but the regulations/fees/fines are outrageous. I looked into buying some property years ago near Bolinas. I asked the Realator why it was so cheap. She said you can't build-- can't even set up a tent. You can't even take a nap on the land. He, "So what's it good for?". Her, "Maybe leech lines?". Want to build your cabin, or home. In my town, of San anselmo, the town council decides pretty much every aspect of your build down to window placement (Homeowner might see Karen naked if that window isn't higher. They even ok your roof type, wether you use stucco, or shiplap, and even the Petunias in your front yard. Neusom is trying, but ADU's are being used by rich people to gain more house footage. And there's a part of me that wants all building stopped until we figure out this water problem.
- zbrozek 5y ago
  If there's another major earthquake it'll take the Bay Area seventy years to get the permits to rebuild half of what was already standing.
  - phone8675309 5y ago
    If another major earthquake hits the Bay Area in the next twenty years then it's a sign from god that the Bay Area was a mistake.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - DoreenMichele 5y ago
    Don't be silly. A lot of it is no longer legal to build and will never be rebuilt.
    - zbrozek 5y ago
      That's the other half.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    Maybe they don't rebuild the sprawling car-centric infrastructure they currently have.
    - kybernetyk 5y ago
      But without highway overpasses where will all the homeless and drug addicts go?
      - syshum 5y ago
        Don't be silly. In California the homeless do not live under highways. They live anywhere they damn feel including your front yard Don't you dare complain about it and when they shit on your path just call up the local poop patrol who will come out in 2-4 weeks to clean that up
HarryHirsch 5y ago
I personally find it kinda lame you can't live in an RV on property you own. You do ask how long it would take for someone to open a trailer park on their property if the sewage regulation didn't exist. Texas has an issue with colonias, it's easy to see why California wouldn't like to see rural shantytowns developed.

gorgoiler 5y ago

I believe the final form of any septic tank is collapse. You just say its the soakaway and brush it off as a feature not a bug!

dtgriscom 5y ago

You aren't saying the same thing. sandworm101 was saying "off-grid living can be luxurious"; you're saying "people ignore regulations."

coldtea 5y ago

>The point of that story is, regulations aren’t reality in many of these places. They may be there but in reality... All it takes is a nosy neighbor to report you (which might even be newcomers to the community), and you'll be surprised how soon they can be a reality. >First, no one can regulate your collection of rain water. Again, you'd be surprised.

nmcfarl 5y ago
> All it takes is a nosy neighbor to report you (which might even be newcomers to the community), and you'll be surprised how soon they can be a reality. Or perhaps not, depending on the politics of your Sheriff. In many rural counties where these laws aren't reality it's not because the government doesn't know, it's because it doesn't enforce. (Of course this same thing happens in cities - just with different laws.)
- coldtea 5y ago
  >it's because it doesn't enforce. If there's a lawsuit or formal complaint, they're forced to enforce...
  - syvolt 5y ago
    No, that generally just means they're forced to take action (ie. investigate to confirm the suit or complaint). For the most part these are municipal laws handled by local law enforcement - the more rural you get the more likely it's just Dave that you've known your whole life that investigates and finds nothing problematic.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>All it takes is a nosy neighbor to report you In most of these places you can't be that nosy neighbor too long before increasingly large dead animals show up on your doorstep. This isn't some nice suburb of SF DC or Boston. Most people frown upon inviting government to show up.

aww_dang 5y ago

>First, no one can regulate your collection of rain water. "Oregon Man Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail — for Collecting Rainwater on His Property" https://regproject.org/news/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jail-collecting-rainwater-property/ https://regproject.org/news/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jai... >...there were complaints about the three “reservoirs” – ponds – on his more than 170 acres of land. >According to Oregon water laws, all water is publicly owned. Therefore, anyone who wants to store any type of water on their property must first obtain a permit from state water managers.