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And, your outrage does nothing, because people who mistreat others professionally are quite used to the complaining, including yours. I am not at all surprised
by joe_the_user 5y ago
And, your outrage does nothing, because people who mistreat others professionally are quite used to the complaining, including yours. I am not at all surprised at this article.
I enjoyed your post until this sentence. The article describes a situation gradually deteriorating into a crisis. The barrier between people complaining and things actually happening are indeed high but I still believe taking note of a crisis is a first step to acting.
- chmsky00 5y agoA whole lot of people take the “I lived through a real crisis…” then detail their life during the gas shortage or something. Unfortunately most do not see anything as a crisis until a literal one of sufficient scale is upon us.
- indigochill 5y ago> taking note of a crisis is a first step to acting. Yes, in the same way overcoming denial is the first step in personal recovery. The trouble is, like a depressed alcoholic who doesn't care that drink's ruining their life, it's not that those running the company are in denial about the way they're abusing their employees. It's that they know it and don't care. What's the path from here to them caring, though? One thing that might help is if their clients stopped doing business with them, but do their clients care?
- lotsofpulp 5y agoThe shipping company’s clients will stop doing business with them if the shipping company cared, by switching to their competitors who do not care and will sell to them at lower prices. The only solutions are political, with some combination of giving those people being subject to abuse better options so that the abusers are not able to abuse, and by making said abuses illegal.
- indigochill 5y agoSuppose Denmark/the EU passes laws that require Maersk to operate ethically. Maersk and all other Danish shipping companies now need to charge their customers more, so won't what you said in the first line just happen at the international level, with clients switching to, say, a Chinese shipping company?
- lotsofpulp 5y agoPossibly, but Denmark/EU could also require proof of meeting certain labor standards in order for ships to dock. Many times, the political problem is getting global adherence. See pollution and emissions.
- pasquinelli 5y agoi particularly liked that part, because too often it seems people conflate posting for meaningful action, to the point that posting is a hinderence to meaningful action.
- amelius 5y ago> I enjoyed your post until this sentence. Why? The problem with complaining (such as in an echo chamber like HN often is too) is that it is a way to vent frustration, taking the pressure of an issue. So in a way complaining actually helps the ones you are complaining about.
- Robotbeat 5y agoThat's an unlikely counterfactual. Most likely if you don't complain, fewer people are aware it's even a problem and the company would just assume no one cares.
- SantalBlush 5y agoIt's quite easy to produce a counterexample to your claim. Harvey Weinstein immediately comes to mind. It was complaining that drew attention to his abuses and ultimately led to his conviction.
- TomSwirly 5y agoOne man. After decades of complaining. Not encouraging, really.
- pas 5y agoWomen equality, #MeToo, sexual consent issues are all pretty much at the forefront of today's cultural issues. Harvey was an open and shut case, but don't forget the Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh, or Andrew Cuomo, Louis CK, etc. (Some weather the accusation (s) some don't.)