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Please tell me that this Code of Conducts are all jokes? I've developed a fragile and basic rule which I try to follow: Don't be an asshole. I fail sometimes

Please tell me that this Code of Conducts are all jokes? I've developed a fragile and basic rule which I try to follow: Don't be an asshole. I fail sometimes following that rule and I don't deny it. I struggle to become better but keep going. Of course you could extend this by "Help others, when appropriate", "Be nice to each other", "Use common sense", "Pardon others", "Don't be a d***", "Don't be a b*****" but that follows logical and would be itself a CoC. Anyway, Captain Picard said everything: Mister Worf, villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.

api 5y ago
> Don't be an asshole. A whole lot of the reasonable parts of "woke" boil down to a few things: (1) Don't be an asshole. (2) Don't meddle in the affairs of others if those affairs do not concern you. (3) Evaluate other people from first principles and starting with a positive assumption, and check yourself for subconscious biases against groups of people that you might have picked up without really thinking about them. This is really a subset of checking oneself for irrational cognitive biases, which is a good practice in all areas.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Did you miss a word or something: If this was part of being woke it wouldn't be considered a slur by anyone..?
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- fallingknife 5y ago
  Number 2 is the absolute opposite of "woke"
- tharne 5y ago
  Wokism is precisely about being an asshole, and using the language of social justice justify bullying and intimidating people. I think we're a little late to the game recognizing this because historically authoritarian and bullying behavior has been more likely to come from the right than from the left. I generally avoid projects with a CoC because it signifies that the people in charge are more interested in picking fights than they are in developing great software.
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awb 5y ago
> I fail sometimes following that rule and I don't deny it. We all have different definitions of being a jerk. So, do you take responsibility when you’ve crossed your own line, or when you’ve crossed someone else’s line?
- pc86 5y ago
  Depending on the context you should take responsibility in both circumstances. Crossing your own line is obvious. But you should still take responsibility when crossing someone else's if you feel they're acting in good faith / being reasonable about the offense, even if you disagree with them. And probably another caveat or two I can't think of off the top of my head.
- mwigdahl 5y ago
  Very good question! Has the other person's line been communicated or are we left to assume what they consider appropriate?
sprash 5y ago
No jokes allowed. Those CoCs are installed by paid assets in order to stifle and reduce the participation rate in FOSS projects. They poison the mood and create division so that voluntary participants leave and those holes then can be filled with corporate agents.
- qwertyboi 5y ago
  As pointed out in the Github issue comments, Californian corporate agents in particular. The new CoC represents "California Core Corporate Policies" after all.
tharne 5y ago
>I've developed a fragile and basic rule which I try to follow: Don't be an asshole. Give yourself some credit. There's a lot of precedence for this rule. One of the original versions of it goes something like: "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you..."
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qwertyboi 5y ago
No, this is an enforcement of Californian social standards on global platforms, disregarding any law, cultural norm, or social standard that is NOT a Californian social standard (in fact, even pointing out that other social norms might exist is considered a violation of Californian CoC and considered hateful rhetoric).

api 5y ago

> Don't be an asshole. A whole lot of the reasonable parts of "woke" boil down to a few things: (1) Don't be an asshole. (2) Don't meddle in the affairs of others if those affairs do not concern you. (3) Evaluate other people from first principles and starting with a positive assumption, and check yourself for subconscious biases against groups of people that you might have picked up without really thinking about them. This is really a subset of checking oneself for irrational cognitive biases, which is a good practice in all areas.

skinkestek 5y ago
Did you miss a word or something: If this was part of being woke it wouldn't be considered a slur by anyone..?
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fallingknife 5y ago
Number 2 is the absolute opposite of "woke"
tharne 5y ago
Wokism is precisely about being an asshole, and using the language of social justice justify bullying and intimidating people. I think we're a little late to the game recognizing this because historically authoritarian and bullying behavior has been more likely to come from the right than from the left. I generally avoid projects with a CoC because it signifies that the people in charge are more interested in picking fights than they are in developing great software.
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awb 5y ago

> I fail sometimes following that rule and I don't deny it. We all have different definitions of being a jerk. So, do you take responsibility when you’ve crossed your own line, or when you’ve crossed someone else’s line?

pc86 5y ago
Depending on the context you should take responsibility in both circumstances. Crossing your own line is obvious. But you should still take responsibility when crossing someone else's if you feel they're acting in good faith / being reasonable about the offense, even if you disagree with them. And probably another caveat or two I can't think of off the top of my head.
mwigdahl 5y ago
Very good question! Has the other person's line been communicated or are we left to assume what they consider appropriate?

sprash 5y ago

No jokes allowed. Those CoCs are installed by paid assets in order to stifle and reduce the participation rate in FOSS projects. They poison the mood and create division so that voluntary participants leave and those holes then can be filled with corporate agents.

qwertyboi 5y ago
As pointed out in the Github issue comments, Californian corporate agents in particular. The new CoC represents "California Core Corporate Policies" after all.

tharne 5y ago

>I've developed a fragile and basic rule which I try to follow: Don't be an asshole. Give yourself some credit. There's a lot of precedence for this rule. One of the original versions of it goes something like: "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you..."

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qwertyboi 5y ago

No, this is an enforcement of Californian social standards on global platforms, disregarding any law, cultural norm, or social standard that is NOT a Californian social standard (in fact, even pointing out that other social norms might exist is considered a violation of Californian CoC and considered hateful rhetoric).